almirar wrote:Can anyone tell me, is shooting squirrels in my backyard legal? If yes then I'm in for one.

No it's not legal you can go to jail if you shoot one.

Yours Truly
Rocket J Squirrel

I'm going to the other extreme of the spectrum.

How dare you not sell real guns and live ammunition. I'm never shopping at this website again!

People are so disconnected from reality. A co-workers kids were playing with airsoft guns in their backyard. The swat team showed up to shut down their day of fun because somebody thought they were real guns.

I think people who hate guns know they aren't responsible enough to handle one. And they project their irresponsibility onto everybody else.

Soooo I checked the laws for a bit and it seems like there's no reason why you can't ship this to MI. I really want one and am aggravated that you're telling me I can't order this when I could have it shipped by Amazon for more money, what gives?

This is so wrong on so many levels. Can you imagine your kid playing with an assault rifle. I wonder what it would be like if he carried it to school for show and tell! I am embarrassed for woot. I have been a good customer for a long time and that stops today. Goodbye WOOT
http://screencast.com/t/VtnkV7VXCd8A

bsmith1 wrote:The write-up says it shoots air-soft pellets, but the specs say BBs and real pellets... I think this is a legit pellet gun, not an air-soft toy.

It, nowhere says this is an airsoft gun. The statement just that air rifle and airsoft are not toys. It is normal general statement. This is a regular air rifle. Nothing more

ChrisCane wrote:This is so wrong on so many levels. Can you imagine your kid playing with an assault rifle. I wonder what it would be like if he carried it to school for show and tell! I am embarrassed for woot. I have been a good customer for a long time and that stops today. Goodbye WOOT

It's a BB/pellet gun. Get over it.

therealjameel wrote:

I'm going to the other extreme of the spectrum.

How dare you not sell real guns and live ammunition. I'm never shopping at this website again!

People are so disconnected from reality. A co-workers kids were playing with airsoft guns in their backyard. The swat team showed up to shut down their day of fun because somebody thought they were real guns.

I think people who hate guns know they aren't responsible enough to handle one. And they project their irresponsibility onto everybody else.

INDEED. They should also stop breeding. I am surprised they are capable

Seriously, could someone PLEASE comment about the performance of this item? I just read through 3 pages of comments and am none the wiser...

ariellem wrote:Not a sport item. Not cool. Very insensitive, especially after Sandy Hook, to sell any rifles that aren't completely toy-only (like a squirt gun or a cap gun). Boo, Woot.

Hey, lets ban rubber bands too! You could carry almost unlimited amounts of those, and you could put someones eye out!

Take the guns away from the people who have a legal right to own them, and the only peple who will have them are the people who don't have them legally.

How about we do a better job of screening people who apply for the permits... Just for a atart.

beachhead wrote:I'ma sooo skeeeeered after seeing this fer sale....Oh woot, how can you be so insensitive, selling these instruments of death.

Just look at it..it's got that hangy down part, and it's black, and it's got that pistol grip, and probably a flip up thingy that makes it spray from the hip and everything.

Ohh, I wail for the chillldreeeeen! You are the cause of the decay of civilization, selling these scary things.


I'll take three please..

LOL.......loved it. Made me laugh after reading so many comments from these other Applejacks

ChrisCane wrote:This is so wrong on so many levels. Can you imagine your kid playing with an assault rifle... I have been a good customer for a long time and that stops today. Goodbye WOOT

I'm amazed so many people think this is Kids Woot and not Sport Woot. Sport, like Olympic air rifle competition:

http://www.usashooting.org/membership/youth-programs/youthrifle

almirar wrote:Can anyone tell me, is shooting squirrels in my backyard legal? If yes then I'm in for one.

You will have to check with your local law enforcement or Wildlife Management agencies for that

burhanistan wrote:Anyway, why the hell do they have to style a BB gun to look just like an M4? Pretty obvious, anyway.

Ah, for the good old days when we wanted our children to aspire to be a brave soldier defending the nation.

dwallace123 wrote:Political arguments aside, most of being a parent is ensuring children's safety, and this can be a useful and cheap tool for that. The chances of your child finding a gun unattended at a friend's house or on the street are much, much higher than the chances of them being a victim of a Sandy Hook.

Part of your responsibility is making sure that child recognizes that a gun isn't a toy and responds appropriately.

..... and continually reinforce why the gun isn't a toy. Let them hold it and look at it once an adult has made sure it's safe, and reinforce why the gun should be left where it is.

These are very basic safety obligations for you as a parent. Guns aren't just going to disappear, so please make sure your children aren't so fascinated by their mystery that they find it, hide it, and hurt themselves or their friends/siblings.

Well said! My son (whose now 17) has air soft guns. We keep THOSE locked up with the hunting rifles. He only gets to use it under supervision. We showed him gun safety and importance of not pointing it anyone (or having anyone point one at him). Just because you don't own a gun, doesn't mean some friend of your kid doesn't have one floating around the house.

ChrisCane wrote:This is so wrong on so many levels. Can you imagine your kid playing with an assault rifle. I wonder what it would be like if he carried it to school for show and tell! I am embarrassed for woot. I have been a good customer for a long time and that stops today. Goodbye WOOT
http://screencast.com/t/VtnkV7VXCd8A

My question to you would be...why would you let it just be lying around the house for him to bring it to school for show and tell? We keep my son's airsoft gun locked up and (although he's now 17) can only use it when we are home. He is not allowed to bring it to friends' homes. We live in the country, and he likes to shoot cans in the yard. Kids like to challenge themselves to hit targets, whether it be with rocks or whatever. Parents should teach them gun safety with it and keep it locked up like any 'real' gun. Some children dream of being soldiers when they grow up..not killers.

If this has the mechanicals of the 760, which I think it does, then it's just "meh". The barrel isn't rifled, so while its fairly accurate with pellets, BBs will curve. It could be better, but the price is just ok.
Eta: this would be inhumane to use against a squirrel unless you hit it just right. I recall shooting an opossum with mine and all I did was piss it off.

Re: gun laws. Most of our laws (guns or otherwise) are there to protect against the irresponsible (e.g. texting while driving). Let's not get caught up in left v right. Reagan wasn't a leftist, was he?

emissun wrote:The 941xx zipcode is in California.

And what part of CA is that? Mostly 92xxx in SoCal and I bought the TR77 a couple weeks ago w/o problems.

alvintownsend wrote:Think of the children!

No really, think of the children and buy 3 for 'em!

I'm grinning.

neveraging wrote:I think that's the point I hang on. When I was a kid, some laws kicked in saying that all toy guns had to look ridiculously not like a gun (AK Centerfire, anyone?). As a kid I hated it. But now I'm grown up and have lived in too many cities where some kid with a realistic toy gun, unfortunately acting the part, goes and gets himself killed.
Yes ideally we're all responsible and in a responsible society, but these are just asking for trouble.

If I was 14 again, I'd be all over this as the most awesome thing for me to dent up stop signs with. But as a grown-up I say: if you want a pump action BB gun, get a pump action BB gun, don't get something that looks like an M-16.

Most rational post among the horde of lunatic/tough guy rantings here! Thank you.

I owned a 760 Powermaster as a kid. You knew what it was when you saw it...a pellet gun. This thing looks like a military weapon. It's appearance screams out for an opportunity to have it mistaken for a (much more) lethal weapon...resulting in tragedy. Stupid design for an item that will likely be handled by kids.

therealjameel wrote:

I'm going to the other extreme of the spectrum.

How dare you not sell real guns and live ammunition. I'm never shopping at this website again!

People are so disconnected from reality. A co-workers kids were playing with airsoft guns in their backyard. The swat team showed up to shut down their day of fun because somebody thought they were real guns.

I think people who hate guns know they aren't responsible enough to handle one. And they project their irresponsibility onto everybody else.

A little girl was suspended from school on Friday for having a Hello Kitty bubble gun....true story

ChrisCane wrote:This is so wrong on so many levels. Can you imagine your kid playing with an assault rifle. I wonder what it would be like if he carried it to school for show and tell! I am embarrassed for woot. I have been a good customer for a long time and that stops today. Goodbye WOOT
http://screencast.com/t/VtnkV7VXCd8A

Whatever happened to accepting one's own responsibility? Would you as a parent allow or permit your child to take a BB gun to school for any reason?

Despite all the back and forth, my husband was inevitably swayed by the uber coolness, so ... short story long, in for one. Thanks woot.

Reviews on Amazon are mostly positive: http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-M417-pellet-pneumatic-rifle/dp/B0062B4PQQ/

primadogga wrote:Seriously, could someone PLEASE comment about the performance of this item? I just read through 3 pages of comments and am none the wiser...

Did you bother to view the video at the PyramidAir site mentioned by a poster on the first page of thie thread? Check it out, it is very informative and should answer all your questions and doubts.

myfester wrote:Some children dream of being soldiers when they grow up..not killers.

Hmmm. Obviously not a veteran. Soldiers ARE trained to kill. ;^)

Hmmm2... Already have a red dot equipped 760 Crosman from Big-5 a month ago.

But this one looks so nasty!.
RESIST, RESIST, RESIST!

ariellem wrote:Not a sport item. Not cool. Very insensitive, especially after Sandy Hook, to sell any rifles that aren't completely toy-only (like a squirt gun or a cap gun). Boo, Woot.

Unbelievably sad what happened at Sandy Hook but also sad how weak willed many of us are that some crumble at the site of a BB gun being sold on Woot. Seems like the voices of the media scream louder than the voice of our own reason these days.

j5 wrote:If this has the mechanicals of the 760, which I think it does, then it's just "meh". The barrel isn't rifled, so while its fairly accurate with pellets, BBs will curve. It could be better, but the price is just ok.
Eta: this would be inhumane to use against a squirrel unless you hit it just right. I recall shooting an opossum with mine and all I did was piss it off.

Re: gun laws. Most of our laws (guns or otherwise) are there to protect against the irresponsible (e.g. texting while driving). Let's not get caught up in left v right. Reagan wasn't a leftist, was he?

This one actually does have a rifled barrel according to the spec.

myfester wrote:Well said! My son (whose now 17) has air soft guns. We keep THOSE locked up with the hunting rifles. He only gets to use it under supervision. We showed him gun safety and importance of not pointing it anyone (or having anyone point one at him). Just because you don't own a gun, doesn't mean some friend of your kid doesn't have one floating around the house.

Are you not aware that airsoft is a "shoot at each other" kind of sport?

j5 wrote:If this has the mechanicals of the 760, which I think it does, then it's just "meh". The barrel isn't rifled, so while its fairly accurate with pellets, BBs will curve. It could be better, but the price is just ok.
Eta: this would be inhumane to use against a squirrel unless you hit it just right. I recall shooting an opossum with mine and all I did was piss it off.

Re: gun laws. Most of our laws (guns or otherwise) are there to protect against the irresponsible (e.g. texting while driving). Let's not get caught up in left v right. Reagan wasn't a leftist, was he?

In the video posted earlier, it does mention that it is a rifled barrel.
http://youtu.be/Ee0A8lvHecY

Ooo! Ooo! Gun control debate on Face The Nation right now! Go watch then come back here to react!

(going to the grocer for popcorn)

ariellem wrote:Not a sport item. Not cool. Very insensitive, especially after Sandy Hook, to sell any rifles that aren't completely toy-only (like a squirt gun or a cap gun). Boo, Woot.

I couldn't agree more!

sparkymcmuffin wrote:Please don't make tired generalizations. That's no different from saying "conservatives are so paranoid".

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property. (Thanks wikipedia)

And this one supports the right to shoot pesky squirrels with BBs. Though doing it with this would freak out the neighbors.

Well good for you on that last part,but the textbook definition is totally irrelevant to today's political landscape and you know it.
From your description of your beliefs you are actually a conservative.Welcome!

I'm tempted to buy this just to upset the "I'm gonna leave Woot forever and ever!" posters.

rickyharper wrote:This is going to be so good! An assault BB gun with a 100 round clip that can hold 100 BBs and kill 100 squirrels in a minute!!!!

You are a pumping fool to shoot 100 SPM! (I like "SPM" as a metric for rodent erasing power)

Oh my, much of this stuff is pretty darn silly. Most won't remember, but before the first, failed, "assault weapon" ban was launched AR-style rifles were not all that popular. Then the hand-wringers and hyper-ventilators decided to demonize one type of firearms based on cosmetic features . . . and sales took off. Breathless newscast voiceovers of B-roll showing fully automatic gun fire appeared on the evening news inspired many a purchase.

Not a surprise, really. TV uses a wide variety of deceptive images to sell everything from deodorant to SUVs; is it really that much of a leap realize that after pounding the populace with deceptive images of "assault weapons" that a significant percentage of the viewers were going to say to themselves "I gotta get me one them machine-gun thingys"?

So. All you folks ever so offended that a BB gun that looks like an AR 15 that looks like an "assault weapon" (whatever they are) that looks like the M4 carbine used by the military please contact the media, start online petitions, and promise to never check this site again. You'll get to feel self-righteous, sales will take off, and everyone will be happy.

Really? I mean really? Just lost me as a customer.

Thanks for continuing to provide neat products, Woot, without falling victim to the shaming of these emotional wrecks. Far more likely to buy from you now and in the future.

CasualFriday39 wrote:Thanks for continuing to provide neat products, Woot, without falling victim to the shaming of these emotional wrecks. Far more likely to buy from you now and in the future.

Agreed 100%...and purchased one!

Not even an orange tip so I guess you could really scare the crap out of people in a public place. Not cool Woot. Stick with electronics and home goods.

To the moon with you Woot!

Not for offering up Generation 3 Ponies air rifles dressed up as assault weapons, but for not deleting all these personal attacks on your forum. People, quit with all the stupid sniping. No one cares what your ass-backward views are. Talk about the products or logistics of getting the products.