jimcannon wrote:Does this only shoot pellets? Or BB's too?

Excuse me but I believe today's rules are you have to make a speach first before you ask a question.

It's scawy black. If this item were only available in hot pink, do you think it would provoke as many gun control/freedom to bear arms posts? The gun control folks would recognize it for the toy that it is, and the gunnies wouldn't bother posting up for something so clearly disconnected from the actual 1st Amendment. Problem solved. Hot pink.

(Guess what my solution to the same sex marriage issue is....)

yoheezie wrote:Watch out, folks... better not buy a gun of any form... Did you know that if you buy one and leave it out, it might just jump up and bite you like a poisonous snake? Oh yeah, guns have personalities of their own. They want to destroy everything. In fact, if you leave one on the kitchen table, loaded and ready to fire, there's a good possibility that it will aim itself at the owner and shoot the owner.

Oh wait, it takes a human being to shoot one of these things. It takes an irresponsible one to shoot a person unintentionally. And it takes someone with some real issues to shoot someone intentionally. To those who are against guns, I welcome you to your freedom of choice. I choose to be a responsible firearms owner. Respect my rights and I'll respect yours. Don't respect my rights, and well... I'll respect yours anyway. *shrugs*

Honest-to-Pete, I have very much enjoyed comments on this issue; unfortunately (for several reasons not needing airing by me here/now) there are denizens chiming in from a point of view thjat is, uh, that is,uh...well, to make their world nicer for them, they Really Believe they need to dismantle our lives. Fortunately we have laws to prevent them. I certainly Do want you to be happy...just not sure how much of me I want to give up. I sure am in favor of this man's point of view.

Is it in poor taste to sell this here. I think a little. Considering the hubbub over gun control right now, marketing should have excercised a little themselves.

That being said, it's an open web site, it is a pellet gun and it is for hunting.

While I eschew guns, I know people that have these to keep the squirrels from eating their crops. Amazingly, it rarely kills the squirrel, but gets the message across.

Does that make me like the offering any more, er no...however there are lots of crappy products on Woot (as well as many good ones) no need to boycott or get upset because someone is lacking in senstivity.

My 2 cents on the "right or wrong" issue with this woot offering:

Personally speaking, I think it's wrong. Wounds are still deep as a result of the Newtown CT incident, and ANY offering of guns - toy or otherwise - is considered bad taste in my opinion.

Sure, this is a pellet gun, and the liklihood of someone going on a rampage with it and murdering innocents is remote, to say the least. On the other hand, this resembles a real assault rifle, and impressionable kids (and even some adults) will get a 'feel' for firearms.... They may not be well suited for ownership of firearms, and we all know that it's relatively simple to get them, legally or otherwise. The possibility of someone going off the edge is too great a risk.

Also, let us consider the person who takes this gun at dusk for example, to his friends home, and is spotted by an over-zealous neighbor, or peace officer. It can certainly be confused for 'the real thing', and another innocent life could be needlessly lost.

I'm sure I'll be called out on this, but we don't need guns in our society for any other purpose than the military, or for hunting.

Go ahead and throw the Second Amendment in my face, and I'll counter that the amendment calls for the right to bear arms to form a REGULATED MILITIA. We needed that to protect a country that was in its infancy. Today, we have that already, the Army, Marines, Air Force, etc. It also specifies the TYPE of firearm we can possess: I believe it mentions something about a single shot muzzle loaded rifle?

I'm all for people having rights. That's what set's this country apart from almost every other country in the world. However, there comes a point when the rights we are granted border on the absurd. Just as times have changed, just as technology has changed, we need to re-examine the rights afforded to us by the founding fathers more than 200 years ago when times were MUCH different, and make some changes that put those rights in line with the current year.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I need to put my soapbox away.

I really want to buy one just to piss off the folks that have their panties in a wad.

andrewkl wrote:My 2 cents on the "right or wrong" issue with this woot offering:

Personally speaking, I think it's wrong. Wounds are still deep as a result of the Newtown CT incident, and ANY offering of guns - toy or otherwise - is considered bad taste in my opinion.

Sure, this is a pellet gun, and the liklihood of someone going on a rampage with it and murdering innocents is remote, to say the least. On the other hand, this resembles a real assault rifle, and impressionable kids (and even some adults) will get a 'feel' for firearms.... They may not be well suited for ownership of firearms, and we all know that it's relatively simple to get them, legally or otherwise. The possibility of someone going off the edge is too great a risk.

Also, let us consider the person who takes this gun at dusk for example, to his friends home, and is spotted by an over-zealous neighbor, or peace officer. It can certainly be confused for 'the real thing', and another innocent life could be needlessly lost.

I'm sure I'll be called out on this, but we don't need guns in our society for any other purpose than the military, or for hunting.

Go ahead and throw the Second Amendment in my face, and I'll counter that the amendment calls for the right to bear arms to form a REGULATED MILITIA. We needed that to protect a country that was in its infancy. Today, we have that already, the Army, Marines, Air Force, etc. It also specifies the TYPE of firearm we can possess: I believe it mentions something about a single shot muzzle loaded rifle?

I'm all for people having rights. That's what set's this country apart from almost every other country in the world. However, there comes a point when the rights we are granted border on the absurd. Just as times have changed, just as technology has changed, we need to re-examine the rights afforded to us by the founding fathers more than 200 years ago when times were MUCH different, and make some changes that put those rights in line with the current year.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I need to put my soapbox away.

Bravo,well said. Save that soapbox we may need it in near future.

Wonder if this will be covered under the assault rifle ban...

markriddle wrote:Is it in poor taste to sell this here. I think a little. Considering the hubbub over gun control right now, marketing should have excercised a little themselves.

That being said, it's an open web site, it is a pellet gun and it is for hunting.

While I eschew guns, I know people that have these to keep the squirrels from eating their crops. Amazingly, it rarely kills the squirrel, but gets the message across.

Does that make me like the offering any more, er no...however there are lots of crappy products on Woot (as well as many good ones) no need to boycott or get upset because someone is lacking in senstivity.

Uhhh....What exactly was your point???

maybejet wrote:Uhhh....What exactly was your point???

I easily get his point but sorry I can't understand it for you.

As I have done several times in the past, I propose that WOOT develop a site for all things related to firearms, knives, hunting, and tactical...

And it shall be named "shoot.woot"

And it will be good.

And all the shooters that WOOT

And the WOOTers that shoot,

Will rise up and sing praises

And offer monetary sacrifices for multiple purchases.

And it will be good.

Let us all call out for this glorious new site:

SHOOT.WOOT ! ! !

SHOOT.WOOT ! ! !

SHOOT.WOOT ! ! !

nanaejt wrote:I easily get his point but sorry I can't understand it for you.

A clever one you are. Apparently you read a t-shirt some place over the weekend...or someone read it to you. Either way, still a clever comeback. -lol-

In what world does this look like an assault rifle?

To loosely quote Inigo Montoya "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

kcmark wrote:Where's the compass or the thingy that tells time?

Bracing for the wave of, "how dare you sell a gun....blah, blah, blah" from the people that forget guns have been necessary to secure and maintain freedom throughout the history of our republic.

Lets See, when is the last time an american citizen had to take up arms against another aggressive nation to maintain our freedom? (other than military) hmmm, been a few centuries anyway.

thenightflier wrote:In what world does this look like an assault rifle?

To loosely quote Inigo Montoya "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

It sure doesn't look like a Red Rider BB gun to me... Very tactical in my opinion...

geeman2000 wrote:(Guess what my solution to the same sex marriage issue is....)

cross dressers?

Also, in fact, this is a perfect time for Woot to offer a gun for sale, so all the frothing reactionaries can teach their kids how to bum rush the gun shops whenever someone mentions "gun control"

Looks like a decent air rifle for the money.

It would be great if people keep discussion to the product at hand.

I'm seeing what I considered as stupid posts about gun complaints that has nothing to do with this air rifle.

If you recall:
box cutters banned on airplanes due to terrorists.
fluids banned - same thing.
some Loco in the Coco uses a knife for killing, it gets banned.
more Loco in the Cocos kill using guns, so guns get banned.

All we really need now is a mass murderer using panties and bras. That would be really be interesting.

buy the air rifle or not. compare it to another or not. discuss about the price or not. leave the politics out of it...da's

I do understand that this is an emotionally charged issue, especially now. Seemingly, anyone with any sense would agree with the person who objects to the sales of the air rifle, but only seemingly. I understand how foreign the thoughts of firearms and hunting are to a vast majority of Americans these days.

There are a lot of good folks though, especially those living in more rural areas, who have grown up with guns and hunting and who have the proper respect for, as well as a very real understanding of the utility and security that the proper possession of guns can provide.

Anti-gun folks should think of the very real implications of a place where only those who govern, and criminals, possessing firearms. There is more than a little bit of truth in the sentiment that an armed populace is a healthy deterrent to any movement towards tyranny. Additionally, I cannot fathom how folks can wipe their minds clean thinking that additional gun laws would do much towards reducing any criminal use.

My last peeve, and probably the one most misunderstood, is the whole "automatic weapon" thing. If the general public had a better working knowledge of these various aspects regarding firearms, I believe the vehement rift between the opposing sides might diminish, and the country could again trend towards sanity.

andrewkl wrote:
Go ahead and throw the Second Amendment in my face, and I'll counter that the amendment calls for the right to bear arms to form a REGULATED MILITIA. We needed that to protect a country that was in its infancy. Today, we have that already, the Army, Marines, Air Force, etc.

The militia was the whole of the able-bodied citizenry, not the standing military. It still is. Well regulated meant that they knew how to shoot.

It also specifies the TYPE of firearm we can possess: I believe it mentions something about a single shot muzzle loaded rifle?

Um, no. It does not. Perhaps you might try reading it. It's brief, and written in plain language.

As surprising as this may seem, Woot exists to move product, not to soothe anyone's feelings. Those who bemoan the supposed insensitivity of this product being for sale neglect to note the fact that all things ballistic are selling like hotcakes right now, aside from the fact that this product is not really a firearm.

Shouldn't you be emoting on Facebook?

Pablo4200 wrote:Um, no. It does not. Perhaps you might try reading it. It's brief, and written in plain language.

I stand corrected on the weapon type.. However, you left out the MOST important language:
"being necessary to the security of a free state". Are we NOT in a free state now?

In spite of my family being victimized by gun violence many years ago, I am NOT against guns.. I AM against military style weaponry getting into the hands of the general public.. Sorry to inform the pro gun lobby, but even the largest buck doesn't need to be hit from a 30 bullet magazine coming out of an assault style rifle. A 12 gauge, a .22, or even a cross bow will suffice if your aim is good....

andrewkl wrote:It sure doesn't look like a Red Rider BB gun to me... Very tactical in my opinion...

We're not living in the 40s. The majority of BB/Pellet/Airsoft guns have looked like this for a long, long time.

And tactical? Cause it has a scope? Or is it the grip? The fact of the matter is this looks nothing like an assault rifle. If you want to see what an actual assault rifle looks like, just type the two words into Google.

ap210 wrote:Woot is based in Texas.

Don't mess with Texas.

People from other states: "Wow, that's such a cool saying."

People actually from Texas: "*sigh* That's a highway anti-littering slogan..."

dzag wrote:Ban cars too... So many deaths by car accidents... Stop the insanity! I'd like to keep my rights!

That post was in direct response to another who said he never heard of anyone getting killed by a pellet gun.

It's called context.

andrewkl wrote:I stand corrected on the weapon type.. However, you left out the MOST important language:
"being necessary to the security of a free state". Are we NOT in a free state now?

Less so every day. And what would taking guns away make it, more free or less?

In spite of my family being victimized by gun violence many years ago, I am NOT against guns.. I AM against military style weaponry getting into the hands of the general public.. Sorry to inform the pro gun lobby, but even the largest buck doesn't need to be hit from a 30 bullet magazine coming out of an assault style rifle. A 12 gauge, a .22, or even a cross bow will suffice if your aim is good....

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. The idea that the Founders even considered a right to hunt is as ridiculous as thinking they considered a right to eat meat. That's why all that other language is in there, to explain that arms are about freedom, not sport. As for military style weaponry, the Supreme Court said in US vs Miller (1939) that such weapons are exactly what's protected by the 2nd.

I don't much care what you think I need. Would you like to invite me into your home so that I can determine which of your belongings you need and deprive you of the rest?

conman77 wrote:Spring-powered rifles are cool and all. (I have one that I really like), but the real hotness are Nitro pistons.

They work just like springs as single shot, and break barrel cocking, however they have:

Smoother cocking
Smoother shooting
No spring torque
No spring fatigue, even if you leave it cocked for hours
Functions perfectly in cold weather
Lasts longer than a metal spring

Check out this Nitro for $114
http://www.airgundepot.com/refurbished-crosman-titan-gp-nitro.html

Nice price refurbed NP AR. Receiver looks same as the TR77, but 000's stock.

censorship woot? really? what's the rationale?

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned backyard fun? Why is everyone who buys one of these allegedly going to shoot a living thing or leave it laying around so some kids can get their hands on it? I remember being about 10 years old and riding my dirt bike into the woods with my friend, our Crosman M-16 replicas slung over our shoulders, and setting up soda cans and cardboard bullseyes as targets. The idea of aiming at each other never entered our minds because we knew the potential for serious injury (and we grew up in the era of Commando, Rambo and GI Joe, to boot). You want kids to spend more time playing outside? Introduce them to an activity that makes them want to get off the couch, teaches them responsiblity and is fun. Not everyone turns bloodthirsty when they hold a gun in their hands for the first time.

andrewkl wrote: A 12 gauge, a .22, or even a cross bow will suffice if your aim is good....

It is illegal to hunt deer during the gun deer season in Wisconsin with a .22 rifle. That weapon is not powerful enough to swiftly end the deer's life.

Shooting a deer with a .22 rifle will result in you enjoying the company of a game warden. You'll also experience a feeling of relief as your wallet becomes easier to carry.

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

It's a pellet gun, not an ak47. It is for target shooting and it is no crime. Not sure where you live that a pellet gun would be illegal, but that is sad.

Saying a pellet gun will lead to crime is like saying driving a car will lead to deadly road rage.

You should be more concerned about television and video games if you insist on going down that path.

Pablo4200 wrote:Um, no. It does not. Perhaps you might try reading it. It's brief, and written in plain language.

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Proposed 9/25/1789
Ratified 12/15/1791

I'm buying one. Someone's gotta protect my adorably plump chickens.

Since everyone is so worked up about the Newtown issue- be advised that you can only complain if Woot! puts up a pistol for sale. Only pistols were used in Newtown, no rifles. The media threw out some bad information. Educate yourself.
So, no rantings about rifles.

Carry on...

Stop feeding the trolls. This is a decent deal, and I bought one even though I already have several air rifles just to piss the trolls off. Anyone offended by this sale is a Applejack. You would be able to kill more people...and far quicker...with a framing hammer than this pellet rifle. Sure in theory you could cause serious injury...but so can walking down the steps of your house.

skrutinizr wrote:Since everyone is so worked up about the Newtown issue- be advised that you can only complain if Woot! puts up a pistol for sale. Only pistols were used in Newtown, no rifles. The media threw out some bad information. Educate yourself.
So, no rantings about rifles.

Carry on...

Educate YOURself... According to the Medical Examiner who conducted the autopsies: "Dr. Carver said it appeared that all of the children had been killed by a “long rifle” that Mr. Lanza was carrying; a .223 Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle was one of the several weapons police found in the school. The other guns were semiautomatic pistols, including a 10-millimeter Glock and a 9-millimeter Sig Sauer."

geeman2000 wrote:It's scawy black. If this item were only available in hot pink, do you think it would provoke as many gun control/freedom to bear arms posts? The gun control folks would recognize it for the toy that it is, and the gunnies wouldn't bother posting up for something so clearly disconnected from the actual 1st Amendment. Problem solved. Hot pink.

(Guess what my solution to the same sex marriage issue is....)

How's this?

ROGETRAY wrote:Heya folks, let's please keep the discussion in this thread about the product being sold.

Thank you.

You guys brought this upon yourselves.

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