mtnhrdgr2 wrote:A pellet rifle...SINGLE SHOT pellet rifle does NOT contribute to gun violence. No one can go on a shooting spree with a SINGLE SHOT pellet rifle. Also, WOOT does NOT sell actual firearms.

does not contribute to violence? Its meant to kill things! what is your definition of violence? This is why our society is in a lot of danger. People defend guns by attacking other objects. it just shows a lack of intelligence and ability to come up with a reasonable argument.

thomas998 wrote:Don't believe everything you see on the Internet... And while I can only recall 1 time a human was killed by a pellet gun, I can recall a significant number where the weapon was scissors used to stab someone to death... Does that mean we need to ban scissors and give up wrapping Christmas presents? And if you want to use that type of logic look at the number of deaths in the US from alcohol, it is more than double the number where a gun was involved - should we ban beer too?

ya see...scissors, pens, alcohol, etc. are not intended for killing. Guns are! [Mod removal: Name calling.]

drksky wrote:Weird. I bought a high-power Gamo air rifle a few years back and didn't have any problems getting it delivered to Illinois.

I tried to buy pellets via mail order from Amazon, and Walmart (Site to store) on line, and was refused, because I live in Ill. But I could go buy them in the store over the counter. Like many Government, and Corporate rules There is no reason for it, its just policy....

When I was maybe 5 or 6 years old, I was playing at my Grandfather's house when his dog decided to get a squirrel and not kill it. Its legs were broken and it was bleeding badly trying to climb up a tree. My Grandfather came out with his pellet rifle (first time I had seen a "real" gun.) He simply said, "This can hurt or even kill you if you're not careful. Never point it at anything you don't intend to shoot." I nodded in agreement, as he ended the suffering squirrel’s life.

That was all the education I needed in gun control & safety at a young age. Maybe if parents decided to have an actual conversation with their children; instead of just throwing them iPads, XBOX's, and hours of time playing on their computers; we could solve half of this country's violence problems.

eraten wrote:When I was maybe 5 or 6 years old, I was playing at my Grandfather's house when his dog decided to get a squirrel and not kill it. Its legs were broken and it was bleeding badly trying to climb up a tree. My Grandfather came out with his pellet rifle (first time I had seen a "real" gun.) He simply said, "This can hurt or even kill you if you're not careful. Never point it at anything you don't intend to shoot." I nodded in agreement, as he ended the suffering squirrel’s life.

That was all the education I needed in gun control & safety at a young age. Maybe if parents decided to have an actual conversation with their children; instead of just throwing them iPads, XBOX's, and hours of time playing on their computers; we could solve half of this country's violence problems.

My early gun education was when I was handed a Crosman 760 pumper and turned loose to wreak havoc on the local critter population. The thing could barely stun a squirrel, but it did well on the birdies. I think the fps was listed as 600 or so, so this trumps that one by a long way. Absolutely 0 parental supervision.

Crosman is a leading name in Air Rifles and stand by their products. I grew up with this brand and give them points over Daisy.

But the Daisy Red Rider is timeless...."You'll shoot your eye out!"

"Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country."

Umm...you do understand that this is a break action, pump air rifle that shoots tiny pellets .177" in diameter? No one is committing much "violence and mayhem" with a pump, break open air rifle. Anyone over 18 can walk in to any sporting goods store in the country and purchase this product with no background check whatsoever pretty much because you can't commit much violence and mayhem with a weapon that at best shoots one or two bb's a minute.

bbkf wrote:does not contribute to violence? Its meant to kill things! what is your definition of violence? This is why our society is in a lot of danger. People defend guns by attacking other objects. it just shows a lack of intelligence and ability to come up with a reasonable argument.

Umm, violence against squirrels isn't really the top issue facing our nation today but okay.

mitrebox wrote:Woot sells wine. Alcohol 'contributes to violence' not to mention health risks when used improperly.

And not everyone can buy wine, but that's ok. I see you brought your own.

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I know this is a long shot, but is there anyone here that owns this and has fired it through a chrono with alloy pellets?
I'm tempted to buy this but only if it's supersonic for reasons relating to what I do for a living. The specs say 1200 fps, but I want to know if it really (and reliably) hits that.

With all this anti-weapon rhetoric on Woot today, may I point out that the homicide rate is the lowest it's been in 50 years - despite this sudden "gun problem" people seem to think we have. Despite all the violent video games and music. It's all hype. The media coverage has increased, that is all. Woot isn't somehow making your kids into killers by selling this to adults.

I miss the days of the internet before all of these baby hugging hippies were around.

1. It is a gun, it shoots metal, it is capable of killing. I don't give a flying Brony either it is pretty bad ass!

2. No one gives a Brony that a little kid died because some parents allowed their kid to use a high powered air rifle as a toy. My parents would never allowed me to have one of these as a kid and looking back I can't blame them.

3. These aren't meant to be used as a toy. These are meant to be used on small animals and are fully capable of killing them.

4. If you don't like it, don't buy it. No one gives a Brony that you think its bad that woot sells it.

5. All you crying babies should buy them and shoot each other because I'd love to live in a world where you are dead or at least unable to reproduced more crying babies like you.

Get off my woot, this isn't youtube!
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charliecarroll wrote:Let's look at what really kills so many children. Look up children killed in car accidents! Now that will be a number that squashes the pellet gun numbers. Ban the cars! Ban the cars!

Latest figures I could find posted were from 2001. Here is a quote,
"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for children of every age
from 2 to 14 years old (based on 2001 figures, which are the latest mortality data
currently available from the National Center for Health Statistics)."
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809762.pdf

If you search google on accidental deaths you will find that according to the FBI more people die from hammers and other blunt objects than assault rifles. So regulate hammers and baseball bats? Maybe folks that own blunt objects should have to take safety courses.

Furthermore 2.6 times more people die in swimming pools than by guns. If Woot was selling pools would folks be up in arms? And why not?

clark106 wrote:Let me know if you are serious about this threat ... I may just buy one so that Woot keeps selling items like this. Responsible adults have a right to protect bird feeders from squirrels in at least 45 of the states in this country.

You can buy one and then send it to me (i'll pay for it) since woot can't ship it to my zipcode...

DO EEET

dmetsopoulos wrote:Second what's contributing to the violence are parents who don't bring their children up properly but letting them listen to hateful music, watch violent shows, and play disgusting video games.

How odd that children in other countries are listening to the same music, watching the same movies and tv shows, and playing the same video games, yet those countries do not experience the wholesale violence we have here in the US. Many of those countries also all private gun ownership. They're also very secular. So, what's wrong with the US?

kdloeffler wrote:Agree with the other one...take the political crap elsewhere. The wine woot has MUCH greater restrictions than this one. I'd LOVE to get this woot, but I can't. Oh well. I'll survive. Wish Michigan would allow this sale, but it doesn't. I'll go to my local sporting goods store and pay $30 more for it and get one if it is a "must have" item.

wait, wut? I buy real firearms through the mail in Michigan and I can't buy this Woot! offering? Great, now I have to get dressed, walk up the stairs, and leave the house to go shopping.

r0ksana wrote:I love how my work zip code (02125) is off limits. Dorchester, MA is not that dangerous an area. We're not Mattapan "Murderpan" Mass, at least.

"Murderpan?" Classy. Wicked classy.

mschauber wrote:

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country...working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

Shut up! When you own your own company then complain and decide how it is run. How dare you get mad at what others do with their stuff.

Dang, and just bought a nice one at Christmas. Hubs didn't realize how powerful pellet guns had gotten. Went through a fashion mag, through a chair and into my wall. Almost as good as his small .22. He is very excited about it. I highly recommend a good pellet gun for all those nasty critters. Racoon beware.

corvettejoe wrote:Don't forget how deadly frying pans are! They just had round 3 of the Woot Skillet yesterday.

Someone has been watching too much Tangled.

bbkf wrote:does not contribute to violence? Its meant to kill things! what is your definition of violence? This is why our society is in a lot of danger. People defend guns by attacking other objects. it just shows a lack of intelligence and ability to come up with a reasonable argument.

can you show me when the bill of NEEDS you speak of was signed?

I wish this was nitro and not a spring...i've bought 2 or 3 spring loaded ones in the past and they work great at first but the amount of targets/pellets i've shot at they definitely decrease over time

bbkf wrote:ya see...scissors, pens, alcohol, etc. are not intended for killing. Guns are! So your pro-gun rhetoric mantra just shows how ignorant you are.

How's this for rhetoric?

Guns are tools just like anything else. A gun is a hammer is a knife is a wrench is a screwdriver. The real difference is the person wielding it. Now, you may say that a gun's sole purpose is killing. That's true, but how do you think the red meat you eat gets to your table? At some point, it was shot, whether it be the bounty of hunting or the product of Bovine University.

Earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that a 10-year-old in Tollhouse, CA (http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=8945476) was killed by a pellet gun recently. Yes, it is sad that he is dead and gone, but there are three important points here:
1. Why did he and a friend have access to a pellet gun? Age limits on pellet guns exist for a reason, just like age limits on alcohol.
2. If they did have access to a pellet gun, why were they using it in an unsafe manner? If it was available to them, they should've been taught how to handle it safely.
3. Where were the parents? Doing a laughably poor job of raising a child is now somehow a pellet gun's fault? Why were the children unsupervised? Why was the gun left accessible to them? Why were they not taught how to handle it safely?

You are the problem with people and society today. A sad event like this happens, and you, and you see a failure in our legislating of guns. I see a failure in our parenting.

This is not everybody else's fault, least of all the gun manufacturer's. The manufacturer was not out there pointing his product at children, the children were. If the kid had seen the Three Stooges and hit his friend in the head with a hammer and killed him, would you be crying out against the hammer manufacturer?

Agreed 100%. For many years I've been a loyaly woot.com customer, and have enjoyed checking the site each day. Seeing this on the home page ruined the image I had of woot big-time, enough to make me never want to buy anything from them again. A shameful display of poor judgement, and a very distasteful tone to the description of the item. To the moon with you, woot.

bellabby wrote:To sell this product at this time is more than distasteful and disgusting. You should not provide such easy access to any form of guns, fake or not, so soon after the recent school tradedy in Newtown. Children do not need to play with this realistic looking gun. I have bought from Woot before but I am considering boycotting your web site.

We're way off topic here, but what the heck...

jamesonbirrell wrote:Half! (in two decades) Really... I'd love to read your sources.

So, I'm not the person who wrote the "50% drop", but I had to respond because of recent studies that point out that violent crime has been decreasing since the mid-90s -- and for a surprising reason:

"The cause of the great increase in violent crime that started in the 1960s and peaked in the 1990s may have been isolated: lead. This leads directly to the reason for the sharp decline in violent crime since then: lead abatement programs and especially the ban of tetraethyl lead as an anti-knock agent in gasoline starting in 1996. There are three reasons why this makes sense. First, the statistics correlate almost perfectly. Second, it holds true worldwide with no exceptions.
Every country studied has shown this same strong correlation between leaded gasoline and violent crime rates. Third, the chemistry and neuroscience of lead gives us good reason to believe the connection. Decades of research has shown that lead poisoning causes significant
and probably irreversible damage to the brain. Not only does lead
degrade cognitive abilities and lower intelligence, it also degrades a person's ability to make decisions by damaging areas of the brain responsible for emotional regulation, impulse control, attention, verbal reasoning, and mental flexibility. Another thing that stands out: if you overlay a map showing areas with higher incidence of violent crime with one showing lead contamination, there's a
strikingly high correlation."

http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13789/20130107/leaded-gasoline-linked-rise-fall-violent-crime.htm

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline

If you intend to live your life and make all of your decisions based on Google searches just lock yourself in a closet now. You've never heard, obviously, of the computer acronym GIGO. Garbage in Garbage out. Everything on the internet is not gospel truth and a search engine doesn't have the ability to qualify information. It simply gives the information to you and, hopefully, you as an intelligent rational human being, are supposed to decide what's factual and what is not. There are a lot nuts posting stuff on the internet so please research the true facts before you put invalid opinions out in the open.

gweiss36 wrote:Agreed 100%. For many years I've been a loyaly woot.com customer, and have enjoyed checking the site each day. Seeing this on the home page ruined the image I had of woot big-time, enough to make me never want to buy anything from them again. A shameful display of poor judgement, and a very distasteful tone to the description of the item. To the moon with you, woot.

Woot has sold Dozens of air rifles before. Clearly you made an overstatement & don't check the website each day if this is your first time seeing one.

A gun that at first glance resembles the weapon that was used in Newtown was just about the last thing I wanted to see on my Woot Daily Digest. Thanks for that.

jamesonbirrell wrote:Half! (in two decades) Really... I'd love to read your sources. How are you defining "violence" and what are the geographical boundaries your statistic is supposed to be referencing? You seem like a nice person, but please give more details for such an outrageous comment... Or just don't wrote it. I don't believe it.
...
Anyway, your probably a great person, but where did 50% come from?

I did not write the original post but the poster is correct and information on crime and violent crime can be reviewed on the FBI website.

FBI Crime Statistics have shown a steady decrease in all forms of violent crime for the last 2-3 decades at least, and we are pretty much at an all-time low in crime in recent years... and it keeps dropping year to year. (Source: FBI Crime Statistics)

While not necessarily correlated, legal civilian ownership of firearms has also greatly increased over the same period. (Source: NRA, Media Outlets)

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

Go troll some other site please.

jamesonbirrell wrote:Half! (in two decades) Really... I'd love to read your sources. How are you defining "violence" and what are the geographical boundaries your statistic is supposed to be referencing? You seem like a nice person, but please give more details for such an outrageous comment... Or just don't wrote it. I don't believe it.

iow, you didn't bother to do the research yourself to back your claim that it's not around 50%, but you show disbelief and are badmouthing him because of your equally unsubstantiated belief. It's revealing how you don't hold yourself to the standard you choose to criticize others.

You can go to fbi.gov and look at their Uniform Crime Reporting database, which include state and local stats. In 1991, the violent crime rate in the US was 758.2/100,000. In 2011, it was 386.3. Not quite, but darn close to half.

Violent crime has generally been going down for years. The latest numbers though show an uptick, due to regular assaults I believe. We are still at levels from about 4 decades ago (early 1970s, although I don't know how the redefining of the Bail Reform Act (I think 1984) in the definition of violence affect the stats, if any; this shouldn't affect the 1991 to 2011 numbers though). If you could remove drug related violence (some estimates from one-quarter to two-thirds to general violence), the numbers would drop even more substantially.

btw, I'm not the OP.

Can't tell if sarcasm or just really stupid..

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

First a cordless drill, now a cordless gun, certainly not the old Woot.

Just an FYI for anyone interested in this air rifle...

Many municipalities, including mine, don't allow you to fire air rifles within city limits if they exceed a certain velocity. My city doesn't allow anything over 500fps which is fine for airsoft or a plain ole BB gun but this air rifle fires at 1000fps...

It's really too bad, for me, because this is perfect for killing varmints like Armadillos. 1000fps is plenty to penetrate their armor.

This thing only holds one pellet at a time? Even a BB gun would be preferable.

MacReiter wrote:We're way off topic here, but what the heck...



So, I'm not the person who wrote the "50% drop", but I had to respond because of recent studies that point out that violent crime has been decreasing since the mid-90s -- and for a surprising reason:

"The cause of the great increase in violent crime that started in the 1960s and peaked in the 1990s may have been isolated: lead. This leads directly to the reason for the sharp decline in violent crime since then: lead abatement programs and especially the ban of tetraethyl lead as an anti-knock agent in gasoline starting in 1996.

Although that is a nice theory I can give you multiple other reasons that also show why the violent crime rate is going down.

1) The general aging of the American population and the the rest of the Western world that has reliable statistics of such things. Older people are less violent than younger people.

2) The increase in incarceration rate in this country over the the time span as a result of programs like three strikes and the war on drugs.

3) Specifically in terms of homicide rate, better traumatic care through medical advancement and increases in specialty trauma centers in emergency rooms.

Bottom line, it is highly improbable that there is any one reason for the decrease and almost certainly unprovable.

As to today's woot. It's a very good price for a good small varmit air rifle and occasional target shooting. I wouldn't buy it if I intended to shoot a thousand rounds a month, but for 95% of us it should do quite well.

gweiss36 wrote:Agreed 100%. For many years I've been a loyaly woot.com customer, and have enjoyed checking the site each day. Seeing this on the home page ruined the image I had of woot big-time, enough to make me never want to buy anything from them again. A shameful display of poor judgement, and a very distasteful tone to the description of the item. To the moon with you, woot.

bellabby wrote:To sell this product at this time is more than distasteful and disgusting. You should not provide such easy access to any form of guns, fake or not, so soon after the recent school tradedy in Newtown. Children do not need to play with this realistic looking gun. I have bought from Woot before but I am considering boycotting your web site.

Do you guys post your mindless banter about knives too? http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/13946-china-school-knife-attack-portland-mall-attack-receive-little-coverage

Maybe if more people were more educated about guns, some of these trajedies wouldn't happen. Boycotting a site that sells an air rifle is making you look the fool more than anything. There is no insensitivity there, you just speak of ignorance. I'm not thrilled of the various recent attacks around the country, but banning guns isn't going to solve any problems. I'll still stand by the drinking and driving arguement when peopel want to ban guns, google "Carrollton, Kentucky bus collision" and think about that the next time you or someone you know has a few and wants to drive home. People only pay attention to what they want and what won't inconvenience them, lets promote gun education and not have some false belief that a ban on guns would do any good.

Seeing all of the anti posts makes me want to buy this gun that much more.

rboyett wrote:Just an FYI for anyone interested in this air rifle...

Many municipalities, including mine, don't allow you to fire air rifles within city limits if they exceed a certain velocity. My city doesn't allow anything over 500fps which is fine for airsoft or a plain ole BB gun but this air rifle fires at 1000fps...

It's really too bad, for me, because this is perfect for killing varmints like Armadillos. 1000fps is plenty to penetrate their armor.

Apparently your law makers have entirely too much time on their hands.

It's black, shoots, and has a scope. Dianne Feinstein will be adding this to her named "assault rifles" ban, so you better get it quick! Think of the poor squirrels!

rettm wrote:Apparently your law makers have entirely too much time on their hands.

Actually it is somewhat of a legit concern with air soft rifle on the rise and such. I've got about 6 holes in the siding on my house from a kid shooting an automatic air soft rifle (granted I will totally blame this one on stupidity) that they "didn't think was loaded". I don't know what it would take to go through the lining of an above ground pool, but this rifle was only at like 700fps. Someone misfires or doesn't pay attention to what they are shooting with a 1000fps and were to hit a pool, it could cause a lot of damage.

bbkf wrote:does not contribute to violence? Its meant to kill things!

How so?

I'd argue by expressed purpose and in name, a fly swatter or a spring loaded mouse trap is more meant to kill things than this item. People who let their cats free to roam outdoors do more damage to the local critter population than this item alone.

I somehow doubt you plan on a campaign to ban any of those.