See, the anti-gunners aren't content to just try to ban firearms, they want to go all the way and ban all things that fire projectiles. Next up... air rifles. After that... air soft! After that... Rubber bands!

Have a look at the list of states wine can be shipped to. All the good things and life are slowly being legislated away.

dmetsopoulos wrote:You are being ridiculous.First, items like this sell like hot cakes all over the US. I suggest moving to a state with some rational thought. Second what's contributing to the violence are parents who don't bring their children up properly but letting them listen to hateful music, watch violent shows, and play disgusting video games. Done be a drone, think independently and use some common sense.

You banter on about her being a drone and being ridiculous, then you blame music, movies, and video games for violent behavior. Kettle, meet pot.

40 years ago it was violent movies, music, and books. Violence as a whole has gone down 50% in the past 2 decades, don't be a Applejack and blame the current entertainment. Blame the real problem in modern society, parents who don't care, and mental illness not being diagnosed or treated.

A sane person doesn't go on a shooting spree, kniving spree, face eating spree, drive into oncoming traffic or try to mow down pedestrians or bikers.

clark106 wrote:Let me know if you are serious about this threat ... I may just buy one so that Woot keeps selling items like this. Responsible adults have a right to protect bird feeders from squirrels in at least 45 of the states in this country.

I like you. You made me chuckle. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, and join you in buying one if this...person, really boycotts Woot.

mitrebox wrote:
And not everyone can buy wine, but that's ok. I see you brought your own.

OK. This was funny for me today.

The specs on this are funny to me.

Pellet Velocity Up to 1000 fps
Alloy Pellet Velocity Up to 1200 fps
Mechanism Break Barrel
Power Source Spring
Caliber .177

power source - spring. and pellet velocity - UP To. this is the funny part.

Being spring loaded and not a real air rifle - this up to means the very 1st time you shoot it will be the most power you will ever see out of it, every shot there after will be ever so slightly less. still though, nice job woot. can't sell gun but at least you will go to the furthest extreme you can. this would be good for a year or 3 of back yard target pinking I suppose. sept for the fact a person can go buy a better one from just about any feed store, pump action air rifle's are up this year at only about 25 bucks. I wonder where this 89 buck thing came from?

Tufflaw wrote:Ever heard of google? Search for "killed by pellet gun" brings up 784,000 results. The first few:

Search for "killed by scissors" or "killed by a pen" or "killed in a car accident"... see where I'm going with this?

We aren't allowed fun things in Illinois.

Watch out, folks... better not buy a gun of any form... Did you know that if you buy one and leave it out, it might just jump up and bite you like a poisonous snake? Oh yeah, guns have personalities of their own. They want to destroy everything. In fact, if you leave one on the kitchen table, loaded and ready to fire, there's a good possibility that it will aim itself at the owner and shoot the owner.

Oh wait, it takes a human being to shoot one of these things. It takes an irresponsible one to shoot a person unintentionally. And it takes someone with some real issues to shoot someone intentionally. To those who are against guns, I welcome you to your freedom of choice. I choose to be a responsible firearms owner. Respect my rights and I'll respect yours. Don't respect my rights, and well... I'll respect yours anyway. *shrugs*

honeybadger12 wrote:Search for "killed by scissors" or "killed by a pen" or "killed in a car accident"... see where I'm going with this?

Don't believe everything you see on the Internet... And while I can only recall 1 time a human was killed by a pellet gun, I can recall a significant number where the weapon was scissors used to stab someone to death... Does that mean we need to ban scissors and give up wrapping Christmas presents? And if you want to use that type of logic look at the number of deaths in the US from alcohol, it is more than double the number where a gun was involved - should we ban beer too?

Timing is in poor taste.

bellabby wrote:To sell this product at this time is more than distasteful and disgusting. You should not provide such easy access to any form of guns, fake or not, so soon after the recent school tradedy in Newtown. Children do not need to play with this realistic looking gun. I have bought from Woot before but I am considering boycotting your web site.

Wow, yeah, if you're serious, I'll buy one so they keep selling them as well. What part of "shall not be infringed" is so difficult to understand?

Weird. I bought a high-power Gamo air rifle a few years back and didn't have any problems getting it delivered to Illinois.

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

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Now as for the item, I'll pass most Crosman products are seriously lacking in quality.

thetooth77 wrote:So the zip codes 18501-19388 cant buy these? I can run to Walmart and get this gun right now. This and 20 other models. Is this a shipping company thing, or do you just not have correct information on PA laws. I'm really interested in this. Please review the zip codes and let me know why all zip codes in this range are out. I can see Philly because they have their own dumb rules. Those zip codes run far outside Philly. Thank you.

This is a regular pain in the backside. In Scranton, 18505 among others, you can not own one of these. But the walmart in Taylor (the next city over with a several mile-long boarder between the two) sells pellet guns, as does the one in Dunmore, another neighboring town.

I think is a CYA move, to be honest. So don't blame Woot for this. This is the result of Loco in the Cocoic local laws. It's perfectly legal for me to buy a full auto 50 cal gun from a store in Scranton (with proper tax stamp, of course), but god forbid a single-shot pellet gun!

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

Agree with the other one...take the political crap elsewhere. The wine woot has MUCH greater restrictions than this one. I'd LOVE to get this woot, but I can't. Oh well. I'll survive. Wish Michigan would allow this sale, but it doesn't. I'll go to my local sporting goods store and pay $30 more for it and get one if it is a "must have" item.

russwjohns wrote:
This item is more of an adult toy and not a weapon although as I vaguely recall, my Army M16 had a similar muzzle velocity as this airgun. [/i]

Good message although very wrong on velocity. These are subsonic, ie no crack. Loadings will vary but generally on an AR or any rifle in general you are talking closer to 2k+ FPS.

Handguns have closer to that speed albeit with a significantly heavier bullet so more energy.

Tufflaw wrote:Ever heard of google? Search for "killed by pellet gun" brings up 784,000 results. The first few:

Second child killed in pellet gun accident :: WRAL.com - http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/9186324/

Neighbors mourn for Tollhouse boy killed by pellet gun - http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=8942960

El Dorado Hills boy killed by pellet gun was shot in his torso - http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2011/11/el-dorado-hills-boy-felled-by-shot-from-pellet-gun-identified.html

Ban cars too... So many deaths by car accidents... Stop the insanity! I'd like to keep my rights!

I support woot selling this but unfortunately being in NYC I can't order one.

Air Gun's don't kill people, people kill people.

LastApeMan wrote:The specs on this are funny to me.

Pellet Velocity Up to 1000 fps
Alloy Pellet Velocity Up to 1200 fps
Mechanism Break Barrel
Power Source Spring
Caliber .177

power source - spring. and pellet velocity - UP To. this is the funny part.

Being spring loaded and not a real air rifle - this up to means the very 1st time you shoot it will be the most power you will ever see out of it, every shot there after will be ever so slightly less. still though, nice job woot. can't sell gun but at least you will go to the furthest extreme you can. this would be good for a year or 3 of back yard target pinking I suppose. sept for the fact a person can go buy a better one from just about any feed store, pump action air rifle's are up this year at only about 25 bucks. I wonder where this 89 buck thing came from?

[MOD: Removed text.] Some of the highest quality air rifles made are spring air.. Not THIS one of course, but the technology is sound.

My Gamo's have been shot literally thousands of times, and still chrono over 1000fps.

Try a Feinwerkbau, they too are spring air.

Spring airs have to "break in" for their accuracy and fps to settle in, but then provide many many hours of consistent shooting

So don't go crapping on this rifle, just because it's spring air....

prosperouscheat wrote:How's this compare to the Gamo Varmint Hunter that's been on woot before?

Both are "springers" with synthetic stocks but the Gamo was $40 more. It had a similar scope but had a laser sight mounted on the scope and a flashlight mount. Both have similar FPS velocity using same ammo. See earlier Woot you mentioned: http://moofi.woot.com/offers/gamo-varmint-hunter-pellet-gun

After spending some time researching the TR77, I've concluded that it is an accurate AR according to those more knowledgeable than myself. And not a Toy by any means.

There's misleading specs about it having an adjustable rear sight and a optical front sight. Clearly there is no front barrel sight in the pics. There are also comments about potentially replacing the trigger assy with a mod'ed trigger with less trigger pressure required. Some mentioned mod'ing with front and rear sights. Some had upgraded the scope although most AR in this price range come with the 4x32mm scopes.

Also found one site offering a NP (Nitro Piston) version for around $150,but no mention of that model on the Crosman site. http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-2869.html

Cheapest price found was a 2-day Black Friday sale at DSG for $10 less than today's Woot offering.

After doing the research, I pulled the "trigger" and got one.

And to those concerned. This is a single shot pellet rifle, not an AK47 with banana clips.



[MOD: Checked with the buyer and he agrees on the sights. They've been removed from the features. Thanks!]

You're Welcome Mod - But not even a Quality Post upgrade? ;^{

mitrebox wrote:Woot sells wine. Alcohol 'contributes to violence' not to mention health risks when used improperly.

And not everyone can buy wine, but that's ok. I see you brought your own.

Thank you. If people didn't buy it from woot, they would buy it off Amazon. Woot is not our moral compass, not our priest, pastor or pope. If you want it, buy it. If you want alcohol, but it. I personally don't care. If I don't want to see it, I'll close teh window. I can do that, and you can to....if you don't like what you are seeing, don't look.

LastApeMan wrote: Being spring loaded and not a real air rifle - a person can go buy a better one from just about any feed store, pump action air rifle's are up this year at only about 25 bucks. I wonder where this 89 buck thing came from?

Tell us where and which store sells an AR with a +1000fps muzzle velocity for less than this Woot offering. Savvy consumers want to know. You must be talking about the old Daisy pumps with sub 400fps velocity. It's the moving piston that provides the air movement.

Well I guess since all the good guns are already sold out I should start panic buying air rifles.

lspector wrote:Timing is in poor taste.

Wait for it.... wait for it... ok times good now... In for 3

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

Don't live in a stupid state and you can buy it - problem solved. As for violence - you should do some homework - guns prevent and solve violence. You wouldn't punch a guy packing would you? Well..... maybe since your from Michigan you would but most educated folks don't mess with that - even if it's a pellet gun such as we are discussing.

birdoprey5 wrote:I support woot selling this but unfortunately being in NYC I can't order one.

Air Gun's don't kill people, people kill people.

Sounds like a great reason to boycot living in states where they pass dumb laws. I'll help you move!

hautedawg wrote:Thank you. If people didn't buy it from woot, they would buy it off Amazon. Woot is not our moral compass, not our priest, pastor or pope. If you want it, buy it. If you want alcohol, but it. I personally don't care. If I don't want to see it, I'll close teh window. I can do that, and you can to....if you don't like what you are seeing, don't look.

Now that you mention it, I want alcohol. And a gun.

You'll shoot your eye out kid!

Pullllllleaze! You are giving the Maize and Blue a bad name. Violence and mayhem occurs when people try to subvert the Constitution and impose their progressive ideals on others. Ain't happenin' here. Now go teach your kid to use a firearm. He/she will love you for it! Nice toy...might have to get one for the babyshower. Go Blue and Woot on!

mschauber wrote:It's about time you stop selling products that you can't sell to a huge portion of the population of this country!!!!!

Not to mention that you're contributing to the violence and mayhem in this country. But forgetting about politics and what's right and wrong for a second, as a business you need to get your asses working on getting products anyone in the country can buy!!!!!!!

I clicked on the discussion just to see the freak-outs.

Was not disappointed.

charliecarroll wrote:Let's look at what really kills so many children. Look up children killed in car accidents! Now that will be a number that squashes the pellet gun numbers. Ban the cars! Ban the cars!

Latest figures I could find posted were from 2001. Here is a quote,
"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for children of every age
from 2 to 14 years old (based on 2001 figures, which are the latest mortality data
currently available from the National Center for Health Statistics)."
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809762.pdf

Google search for:
Killed by Woot About 2,370,000 results (0.13 seconds)

Great product Woot! You should sell more things like these, regardless of what the Chicken Little's have to say.

As long as you don't sell "crazy pills" that make the person take a tool (any tool) and kill people, intelligent people will know and understand that you are not contributing to ANY form of violence.

I'm personally glad you are intelligent enough as a company to understand that. Now don't you wish all of your customers were?

mitrebox wrote:Woot sells wine. Alcohol 'contributes to violence' not to mention health risks when used improperly.

And not everyone can buy wine, but that's ok. I see you brought your own.

Don't forget how deadly frying pans are! They just had round 3 of the Woot Skillet yesterday.

Also doesn't all that terrible music contribute to all the violence in teen America? Woot sells a ton of stereos, MP3 players, speakers.

What of those awful TV shows that lead to the corruption of our minds? Woot sells a TON of TVs!...

...need we go on? The anti-gun crowd is really amusing. And it's a BB gun of all things LOL.

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... and to add to the actual product conversation, these things are looking wicked cool ... what happened to the Daisy pump action look back in the day?

I remember sitting in my buddy's tree house with a whole row of action figures lined up way down on the ground. Pump that bad boy up until you couldn't anymore and then watch the BB fly off course, knowing you full well missed and would have to be pumping all over again.

Kelsennel wrote: 40 years ago it was violent movies, music, and books. Violence as a whole has gone down 50% in the past 2 decades, don't be a Applejack and blame the current entertainment. Blame the real problem in modern society, parents who don't care, and mental illness not being diagnosed or treated.

Half! (in two decades) Really... I'd love to read your sources. How are you defining "violence" and what are the geographical boundaries your statistic is supposed to be referencing? You seem like a nice person, but please give more details for such an outrageous comment... Or just don't wrote it. I don't believe it.
You, and the other commentator, should be more careful in your wording about violent video games (and the propensity for their players to commit violent acts). I haven't done much research on violent music or movies, but the jury is still out on video games! It's been a big topic of interest for me for quite some time... Unbiased (or as close as you can get) research will reveal that there is a slight favor to the argument that at least temporary increased aggression occurs after violent (first person shooter genre) video game play.
Anyway, your probably a great person, but where did 50% come from?

Could we please have a comment from someone who has actually used one of these?

Spring-powered rifles are cool and all. (I have one that I really like), but the real hotness are Nitro pistons.

They work just like springs as single shot, and break barrel cocking, however they have:

Smoother cocking
Smoother shooting
No spring torque
No spring fatigue, even if you leave it cocked for hours
Functions perfectly in cold weather
Lasts longer than a metal spring

Check out this Nitro for $114
http://www.airgundepot.com/refurbished-crosman-titan-gp-nitro.html

gravityisweak wrote:Thanks to stick-in-the-mud buzzkilling state legislators, this cannot be delivered to the following states:

Yeah I'll second that...

Somehow I cant have this shipped to my door but I can go to the local sporting goods store and buy it off the shelf?

What the hell? Can I ship this to my friend in the next state over?

Why Yes you can! I live in one of those buzz-killing states you speak of....

prosperouscheat wrote:Nice try but there's no link between music, shows or video games and violent behavior.

True story. I've been playing bloody video games, watching slasher movies, and listening to heavy metal for as long as I can remember and I've never killed anyone. I've never even been in a fight. Violence has more to do with a social upbringing IMO. Social influence, peer pressure and pride (which you get from influence and peer pressure) are the recipe for violence.

Hey, those of you with a brain in your head, seems like a good deal though I prefer the Gamo.

For the small minority of you who really can't think for yourselves. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

It's a pellet gun!? Yes as many as four fatal sites a year occur because of pellet rifles. I hate to use the term statistically insignificant because, well you know John Dunne and that bell poem, but.... Just sayin'. Now skateboards there's a menace!!

Political correctness?? Sorry just threw up a little in my mouth. If the pellet gun is too ferocious looking for please just drive over to namby pamby land for a tissue and a Valium and leave the rest of us alone.

Boo Hoo your State has decided you can't get a pellet gun in the mail, you live there! Vote or move. I'm not sure how its Woot's fault you people where you live aren't trustworthy enough. ( hey they must have made that rule for some reason)

Good night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.

Nothing to add other than the people freaking out over the "timing" of this and/or the whole "how dare you sell guns" thing are complete twits.

Not a gun nut, and the only reason I "own" 2 pistols and a rifle is because I inherited them. I have no intention of using them.
Nor am I a big "gun rights" person. I really couldn't care less, but I still think the people freaking out need a good smack upside the head.

I love how my work zip code (02125) is off limits. Dorchester, MA is not that dangerous an area. We're not Mattapan "Murderpan" Mass, at least.