I'm not sure if the pointed end of the mini light would be considered a weapon in CA or not if you're carrying it.

Here is the CA law for weapon carry incase anyone with more understanding would like to chime in.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/2/s12020

The spike flashlight would be ideal for killing zombies.

It's a good price ... $32.95 on eBay. 100 lumens is a lot of output for a flashlight that runs off of AAA's. I'm not sure I believe the run times, but in for 1.

cnwinton wrote:It's a good price ... $32.95 on eBay. 100 lumens is a lot of output for a flashlight that runs off of AAA's. I'm not sure I believe the run times, but in for 1.

Where are you seeing these run times?

frompkin wrote:The spike flashlight would be ideal for killing zombies.

No no no nononononono, and NO! "Ideal" is long range, not within your own wingspan! Still hotly debated whether any fluid exchange from a Zombie transfers the disease, or just saliva/bites. You don't want to find out the former after you have gotten that close and the strike with the nifty S&W tool splashed infected fluids on you!

That said in for 1 cuz' it's a good flashlight and I am a total sucker for cool flashlights. For the Z Outbreaks, though, I'll stick with longer range weapons and defenses to stay long range.

I have to admit I am a flashlight geek.

Costco sell a different brand that also uses 3 AAA batteries that produce 200 Lumens.
Run time is only 1 hour on full brightness, can't remember the runtime on dim but probably 4 hours (or more) They sell it as 3-pack for $20

On the other note, 100 Lumen is very very bright already (brighter than then 3D Mag-lite (the non-LED type) and no, the 200 Lumen will NOT appear 2x brighter than a 100 Lumen light because human eye vs. lumen graph is NOT linear.

Source for Mag-lite comparison: http://www.lumenjunkies.co.uk/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=6

I'm a sucker for flashlights but not a fan of the 3 X AAA cell solution.

And granted it's better than nothing, I'd venture it's a better zombie tool than glass breaker. Looks too light and hard to grip to deliver the kind of blow to break safety glass.

Not a bad deal but I'll pass.

In for one. But only because I'm trying to find my way.

clumber wrote:No no no nononononono, and NO! "Ideal" is long range, not within your own wingspan!

In a pinch, aka one sneaks up behind you or whatever, and you end up in melee range, I'd rather have a spiked flashlight than a long range weapon. It's harder to whoop ass with a rifle at short range.

I'd be interested in some LED headlamps...

frompkin wrote:In a pinch, aka one sneaks up behind you or whatever, and you end up in melee range, I'd rather have a spiked flashlight than a long range weapon. It's harder to whoop ass with a rifle at short range.

Yeah, it isn't like a rifle is a big staff of steel and wood one could use to block, push off, then brain a zombie using the stock. I'd much prefer trying to stab one in the eye with a pointy flashlight the size of a juiced major league player's pee pee. That's totally sound reasoning. :P

When I saw, "Smith and Wesson Combo Pack", I assumed it was a pair of pistols for dual wielding in the upcoming zompocalypse. Sadly, this is not the case, but one can always use extra light.

The pointy thing should be a pen.

cnwinton wrote:It's a good price ... $32.95 on eBay. 100 lumens is a lot of output for a flashlight that runs off of AAA's. I'm not sure I believe the run times, but in for 1.

100 lumens isn't bad, but I picked up a 2 pack of 200 lumen lights from Sam's Club last weekend that run on 3 AAA batteries.

lparsons42 wrote:100 lumens isn't bad, but I picked up a 2 pack of 200 lumen lights from Sam's Club last weekend that run on 3 AAA batteries.

I bought that 2 pack and they lasted less than a year.

clumber wrote:No no no nononononono, and NO! "Ideal" is long range, not within your own wingspan! Still hotly debated whether any fluid exchange from a Zombie transfers the disease, or just saliva/bites. You don't want to find out the former after you have gotten that close and the strike with the nifty S&W tool splashed infected fluids on you!

That said in for 1 cuz' it's a good flashlight and I am a total sucker for cool flashlights. For the Z Outbreaks, though, I'll stick with longer range weapons and defenses to stay long range.

Long range head shots are still the recommended method for taking down zombies, but if you find yourself in close quarters hand to hand combat, this pointed tip might do the trick. You'd have to puncture the skull I believe to be effective. It may be difficult, but no one ever said fighting zombies was easy. As far as blood spatter infecting you, it is a possibility if some got in your eye or if you have an open wound. Though experts agree, a bite is the most likely form of transmission.

I actually bought this combo pack about a year ago at a sports store and paid closer to MSRP. The main reason was the skinny light fits perfectly inside a flight suit knife pocket so it's a reasonably good match for my work.

The AA powered light is quite bright and stays that way until the battery is about to run out. Small and bright enough to keep in your pocket as a night time personal defense supplement without being bulky. The beam projects far enough to be teamed with a short range concealed carry pistol.

The stabby-light is bright, but projects a short beam. Good for inspecting something up close, but not much beyond a few yards. The pointy end is pointy, but the whole thing is made of aluminum. You don't see many "aircraft aluminum" blades on knives or glass breaker tips on tools of any sort. Plus its skinny enough if you were trying to smash through something with it, it would probably slip... if the tip wasn't broken/rounded off Trick-or-Treat!

But, for the price, certainly not a rip-off if you need some decent lights.

DennisEChung wrote:I'm a sucker for flashlights but not a fan of the 3 X AAA cell solution.

Not a bad deal but I'll pass.

Agree. Almost all 3 X AAA flashlights I've purchased (different brands and models) seem to fail whereas almost all others don't. The failures I've traced down usually involve the membrane switch or contact point to it.

I've got one of these. 200 lumens.

http://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/e2dl.html

I love it, but way pricier than this woot.

clumber wrote:No no no nononononono, and NO! "Ideal" is long range, not within your own wingspan!

Better yet is to just keep them away completely. That's what LeakFrogs are for. I've got one in my basement and one under the kitchen sink and zombies have NEVER come on my property.

the spike might be good to fend off a regular human attack day to day, mostly because you can carry it with you at all times on your key chain.

for a more hostile general environment like a zombie apocalypse, a rifle/shotgun primary weapon with a pistol back up and a nice mid sized blade like a machete or a khukuri is what you want.

chances are if you let the zombie get close enough to use a couple inch spike, your taking a hit to give a hit, and medical treatment won't be readily available, so you want to avoid injury at all cost.

WhaThe wrote:I've got one of these. 200 lumens.

http://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/e2dl.html

I love it, but way pricier than this woot.

LOL @ comparing 2 for $20 flashlights to a surefire flashlight.

I wish woot would list country of origin and materials.

You just answered all my questions before I asked. Thank you.

I would say this is a good deal if you don't have any LED lights and would like to be better prepared for the next hurricane. A so-so deal if you already own a bunch. Not going to bite.

smegknight wrote:I actually bought this combo pack about a year ago at a sports store and paid closer to MSRP. The main reason was the skinny light fits perfectly inside a flight suit knife pocket so it's a reasonably good match for my work.

The AA powered light is quite bright and stays that way until the battery is about to run out. Small and bright enough to keep in your pocket as a night time personal defense supplement without being bulky. The beam projects far enough to be teamed with a short range concealed carry pistol.

The stabby-light is bright, but projects a short beam. Good for inspecting something up close, but not much beyond a few yards. The pointy end is pointy, but the whole thing is made of aluminum. You don't see many "aircraft aluminum" blades on knives or glass breaker tips on tools of any sort. Plus its skinny enough if you were trying to smash through something with it, it would probably slip... if the tip wasn't broken/rounded off Trick-or-Treat!

But, for the price, certainly not a rip-off if you need some decent lights.

I've been doing some searching and can't find out the dimensions of this light. Looks like it would be nearing 6 inches. Anyone that has it, can you tell me how long it is? Bonus points for diameter.

Edit: Found the specs tab. 4.5 inches. In for 1.

DennisEChung wrote:And granted it's better than nothing, I'd venture it's a better zombie tool than glass breaker. Looks too light and hard to grip to deliver the kind of blow to break safety glass.

Depends on how badly you need to get out of that car. The full force of a desperate blow on that little point will be enough, methinks. As for an emergency couple of flashlights, there was not a D cell battery to be had in CT 2 days before Sandy hit, but AAs were plentiful. So not a bad thought to keep a couple around that run on AAs; the fact that they come in 40-packs is a bonus.

Can you replace the 3 AAA batteries with one CR123? The AAA battery holder looks like it is the same size as a CR123 battery.

$19.99 and $5 shipping here on Woot.

Amazon = $31.02 + free shipping
http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-Compact-Penlight-Flashlight/dp/B0056DG1TU/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&qid=1351864115&sr=8-27&keywords=smith+%26+wesson+flashlight

Highest price I found - $45
http://www.code3tacticalgear.com/smith-and-wesson-delta2-led-tactical-pen-bonus-pack-sw737cbo.aspx

JnC Defencive Strategies = $32.00
http://shop.jncdefensivestrategies.com/SW-Delta2-LED-Tactical-Bonus-Pack-SW737CBO.htm

About this product, at 100 lumen's this small and sturdy flashlight is going to give off a surprisingly bright beam. Powered by AAA batteries, do not expect hours of use without changing them out. The 'pen' light could be useful in a pocket or glove compartment, purse etc. BTW, it's design indeed would work as an automotive glass breaker. The trick in doing this has to do with method. The blow should be delivered swiftly, sharply and in a snapping motion rather than a full swing. But, truthfully because of it's small diameter, you would need to insure you have a very good grip on it before you did this. In short, it would not be my tool of choice for this purpose but, it will work and it has it's advantage of easy Carry so you could easily always have a light available if you needed it.

At Woots price, this is an excellent deal on a very well made product.

jb3301 wrote:Can you replace the 3 AAA batteries with one CR123? The AAA battery holder looks like it is the same size as a CR123 battery.

Nope.

This is a good deal for "that" light. That being that brand. Costco has a 3-pack of small 200-Lumens tactical flashlights for $19.99, sometimes with a $5 off coupon, that comes with batteries as well. Just sayin'.
-A true flashlight lover would get a Fenix TK-35 with the new U2 emitter that puts out 860 Lumens. I love mine!

BrianHuy wrote:I'd be interested in some LED headlamps...

Not recommended if your are a Zombie but as a DIY, I suppose you could ram the spiked one in your forehead

Wait--"Glass Break Tool for HOME or Auto"? I understand the occasional need to bust your way out of a submerged car. But when do you encounter a legitimate need to break the windows of your own home? "Hey, honey, could you crack a window and let a little breeze in?" "I'm all over it!" (Or maybe these are for submerged home situations?)

To those who say it's not big or heavy enough to break glass, you don't swing it like a baseball bat, you hold it in your clenched fist and smash straight ahead with the point. If you hold it tightly enough it breaks the glass! It doesn't matter how much (or little) it weighs

bpr2 wrote:I'm not sure if the pointed end of the mini light would be considered a weapon in CA or not if you're carrying it.

Here is the CA law for weapon carry incase anyone with more understanding would like to chime in.



http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/2/s12020

It's a bit short for effective weapon or kuboton. Honestly you can more readily kill a man with a bic pen or a screwdriver(it's surprisingly easy). And with all laws it comes down to intent and officer's disposition when it's not clearly a weapon. It has primary non-weapon functions, so I'd say no but the best person to ask is a local cop. They deal with this stuff and the interpretation all the time. If you're not out trying to stab someone in the eye with it you should be ok. Items specifically designed as weapons fall under this. I know CA has issue with pointed/tapered kubotans (which this loosely resembles) but normal kubotans are completely legal in all 50 states.

marcwason wrote:It's a bit short for effective weapon or kuboton. Honestly you can more readily kill a man with a bic pen or a screwdriver(it's surprisingly easy). And with all laws it comes down to intent and officer's disposition when it's not clearly a weapon. It has primary non-weapon functions, so I'd say no but the best person to ask is a local cop. They deal with this stuff and the interpretation all the time. If you're not out trying to stab someone in the eye with it you should be ok. Items specifically designed as weapons fall under this. I know CA has issue with pointed/tapered kubotans (which this loosely resembles) but normal kubotans are completely legal in all 50 states.

It ALWAYS helps to have cop friends.

jb3301 wrote:Can you replace the 3 AAA batteries with one CR123? The AAA battery holder looks like it is the same size as a CR123 battery.

No, the CR123 is much smaller in size, is a 3 volt battery, and the 3 x AAA is 4.5 volts.

I'm curious, is the tip of the one flashlight made to break the glass of a vehicle (if submerged in water, king of thing)?

jb3301 wrote:Can you replace the 3 AAA batteries with one CR123? The AAA battery holder looks like it is the same size as a CR123 battery.

A CR123 is 3V.

If the battery holder puts them in series, that's 4.5V; if in parallel it's 1.5V with 3x the power reserve (runtime).

I don't think a CR123 will work even if it's a correct fit - it will either be low on voltage, or double the correct voltage.

cnwinton wrote:It's a good price ... $32.95 on eBay. 100 lumens is a lot of output for a flashlight that runs off of AAA's. I'm not sure I believe the run times, but in for 1.

AAA and double A batteries have the same voltage just different running hours so the size of the battery will affect the run times but no effect on the output

charleyed wrote:No, the CR123 is much smaller in size, is a 3 volt battery, and the 3 x AAA is 4.5 volts.

but arent the batteries in series? you would keep the same battery voltage at 1.5 volts just increase your run time