Why won't Woot ship to me in MA. I know for a fact that I can go down to Walmart or BassPro and buy the same exact model...hell I don't think I have even ever been ID'd while buying an airgun in MA. This makes me angry WOOT!

Woodman668 wrote:Used to be you could paint a fake gun pink or orange or something and people would know it's fake... too many new guns coming out in designer colors.

Too many criminals getting smarter. Paint a Glock 40 bright pink, and it still kills. Happened in some shootings a couple of years ago.

woodysgate wrote:"Please Note: Gamo airguns are not toys and are recommended for use by those 16 years of age or older. Adult supervision is required. Misuse or careless use may cause serious injury. Do not brandish or display your airgun in public. It may confuse people and it may be a crime. Police and others may think an airgun is a firearm. Do not change the coloration or markings to make it look more like a firearm. Buyer and user should conform to all laws governing the use and ownership of their airgun. The person handling the airgun and anyone nearby should always wear protective eyewear. Read all instructions before using. Always use care and shoot safely."

Translation: "Dont be an teacher's pet."

^^^^^
That. Times 100

yemicculus wrote:Same thing here with the 18501-19388 restriction. I live in PA, it's perfectly legal to own this thing anywhere outside of Philly, as far as I'm aware. What's with the restricted zip codes? Is it because I live near Philly?

Every time I see an air gun on Woot, I get all excited, and then remember their stupid shipping restrictions.

I live in Scranton...it's worse: You can BUY an airgun and you can have one shipped. However, it's illegal to OWN one. So I can have it shipped here, and I can buy one at K-Mart. But as soon as I walk back into Scranton city limits, I'm a criminal.

Never mind the hi-cap Ruger in my pocket. That's fine. But if I have an AIR GUN...whoa... look out!

Come to think of it...it's the same with fireworks in this screwed up city. You can buy all you want, that's legal. But you can't OWN them...uhm....huh!?

bpowers5833 wrote:Why won't Woot ship to me in MA. I know for a fact that I can go down to Walmart or BassPro and buy the same exact model...hell I don't think I have even ever been ID'd while buying an airgun in MA. This makes me angry WOOT!

Blame the people you elected into office, not Woot. Take a gander at the Wine.woot site sometime. I can't have anything shipped to me FROM WOOT, but I have found a few things that I can buy at the state-own monopoly that sells hooche in this state (it's actually a commonwealth). A couple times, I've been told that I can even have the exact same thing shipped to me by the monopoly, just not from anyone outside the state.

It's the state/local laws that prevent it, not Woot.

Awwwww, I can't get one.

Apparently Woot can get me drunk, but not help me shoot varmints.

I ordered last time this was up. I received a broken rifle. Gamo's service sux. $129.00 flushed. Can't believe woot would even put this junk up on the site.

Woodman668 wrote:...I doubt if it will shoot through walls, or even windows......

Oh, it will definitely shoot through windows if you're within a few hundred feet, though not from the same distance that a .22 firearm will.

This no toy, and playing with it as though it was could get you three low quality meals a day, access to a yard with weight lifting equipment, and very secure living accommodation which you get to share with an extremely friendly guy named Bubba.

just to clear up for pellet freshmans, PBA platinum are a non-lead mystery allow- Not solid platinum. If someone is shooting solid platinum, or even partial platinum, please let me know where your backstop is

Nice overview btw- nothing wrong with bringing out the inner nerd from time to time

This is no gun for a child to even have access to except under an adult who understands it's danger. The muzzel velocity of the air rifle is about the same as a .22 caliber long bullet loaded with a 38 grain bullet. With the premium pellet, it shoots just as fast as a .22 standard velocity bullet. In other words, you could easily kill an adult with a well placed shot at 50-100 yards. My father, an avid hunter and Army firearms instuctor forbid me and my two brothers to even have any pistol or rifle, only shotguns. Buy your kid a bb gun and keep it locked up when you aren't around.

primadogga wrote:I have a 10 & 12 year old (no, not in the same body) a could they physically handle pumping and recoil on this thing?

I have a similar Crossman break-barrel and my 10 yr old son cannot come anywhere close to cocking it.

jakeiscrazy wrote:You guys need to come join a free state were people literally laugh out loud at the notion of an airgun being restricted and we still have a lower crime rate.

Jake
Virginia

Whatever man, I live in the middle of Alabama and can't get one of these things shipped.

jpbay wrote:Uhh. Would this be a good first practice gun? And use to scare off yotes? No real bullets right?

If you have Coyote issues, you need something bigger. With REAL bullets!

primadogga wrote:I have a 10 & 12 year old (no, not in the same body) a could they physically handle pumping and recoil on this thing?

The rifle uses a breakover mechanism with an extremely strong spring. The breakover is a single action performed between every shot and loading is done while the breech is open. Once again, the spring is very strong and difficult for some adults. If your child is very strong they might be able to operate the mechanism. Along those same lines, this is a full size rifle and the length of pull (distance between the trigger and the butt stock) may be a bit long for a twelve year old. I have the hunter version of this rifle (basically the same gun just not as many bells and whistles) and use it regularly at targets up to 80 yds in my back yard. This is not a toy. Your children may be able to fire it but you may have to load and operate the mechanism and ensure they are closely supervised while shooting. Common .22lr ammo can be 900-1700 fps so this is a very powerful air rifle. Recoil should not be an issue. There is very little, only from the release of the spring energy.

I recently purchased a Gamo Big Cat. I believe the internals are the same between these two. No noise damper on mine, but it is still pretty quiet. Believe me, these are way more powerful than the pumpmasters etc. I used to play with as a kid. I can lethally hit varmints at 75+ yards accurately. These could kill a person if one were not careful with them. Gamo makes a quality air rifle, however QC is a little spotty, if you decide to pick one up look into a replacement Charlie Da Tuna trigger and tuning on the interwebs. Another thing I would like to mention is that they make air rifles all the way up into the .357 and larger range. Folks hunt big game with them. A lot of people think "air gun" and think BB plinker... that is incorrect in the high end guns.

unpcnook wrote:How can this be shipped to CA but not to NJ? Bah...
Anyway, does this have to go through a FFL Dealer?

It can't be shipped to a lot of CA, that's where those 94101-96970 forbidden zip codes are.

Love the hype in the video. All weather (read plastic) stock...

Thirdbase9 wrote:Awwwww, I can't get one.

Apparently Woot can get me drunk, but not help me shoot varmints.

That's to bad. Alcohol+ Guns= A good time....Well at least up until the point when you shoot your eye out.

yemicculus wrote:Same thing here with the 18501-19388 restriction. I live in PA, it's perfectly legal to own this thing anywhere outside of Philly, as far as I'm aware. What's with the restricted zip codes? Is it because I live near Philly?

I live in a philly suburb that falls outside the zipcode restriction. Oddly my parents live 15 minutes north of me, and their zipcode is restricted.

Specs say

.177 cal. pellet that uses enhanced non-lead alloy to generate velocities up to 30% faster than conventional lead pellets

I seem to recall that kinetic energy goes by the square of the velocity. KE = 1/2 m v^2 to be specific.

Now, for their magic pellet to add 30% to the velocity, the weight would have to be much less. In fact, to get a 30% higher velocity, the new pellets would have to weigh only 59% of what the old pellets weigh.

The density of lead is 11.36 gm/cm^3, so that would put the magic pellets at a density of 6.7 gm / cm^3, which happens to be the exact density of Zamak 3.

So perhaps this is what the mystery pellets are made of? It would be so much cooler to say "When hunting gophers, ordinary lead just won't keep them from becoming zombies. That's why I shoot pellets made of Zamak 3!"

Or maybe I've had quite enough coffee this morning, thanks.

I am so, so tempted by this. I'm moving out of my apartment and into a real house. I'd love to sit on the back deck and plink stuff, but I'm concerned the neighbors would get nervous.

It appears to be a pretty good deal: it's going for around 200 elsewhere online. Man, if this were the version with the laser and light I'd be all over this. I could be like Carl in Caddyshack.

I may get it anyway, just to exercise my rights. I see that my previous zip codes in Miami-Dade are restricted (330xx), for whatever stupid reason.

pretty poor review on amazon, only one showing there
http://www.amazon.com/Gamo-Varmint-Stalker-Deluxe-Whisper/product-reviews/B004WMFTK8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

gjbloom wrote:I seem to recall that kinetic energy goes by the square of the velocity. KE = 1/2 m v^2 to be specific.

Now, for their magic pellet to add 30% to the velocity, the weight would have to be much less. In fact, to get a 30% higher velocity, the new pellets would have to weigh only 59% of what the old pellets weigh.

Or maybe I've had quite enough coffee this morning, thanks.

Yes. The problem with the PBA pellets is that since they are lighter, they go faster. Why is this a problem? They break the sound barrier, causing the familiar "crack" of a rifle. You will need to wear hearing protection when shooting PBA's.
You can use a pellet like the Gamo Rocket, which is a heavier pellet that says consistently subsonic. Then the loudest part of the shot is the spring slamming forward. However it does contain lead.

Wow. Something on Woot that isn't a backpack.

This is NOT your boyhood Red Ryder BB gun.

I have one of these. With standard pellets it'll go thru a 3/4" piece of plywood with NO problems. The Platinum brand pellets are actually a zinc alloy and are much lighter. In my experience they are also less accurate and pricier. Just use pointed Gamo lead hunting pellets. The scope is pretty decent, good for headshots on squirrels and possums. With the right pellet it will cut one ragged hole on a target across the back yard. The price is $80 less than what I paid.

noahjuan wrote:Ok, I am seriously confused now. Woot can not just sell hunting gear, but actual guns, and we cannot posts deals for guns? What am I missing?

This rifle is not a firearm, firearm deals are not allowed on deals.woot.

This not a plinker for kids. This is a serious weapon that produces killing power. It might be acceptable for a mature kid who wants to train on marksmanship. But I wouldn't buy these for kids to plink around with.

WilfBrim wrote:I am so, so tempted by this. I'm moving out of my apartment and into a real house. I'd love to sit on the back deck and plink stuff, but I'm concerned the neighbors would get nervous.

It appears to be a pretty good deal: it's going for around 200 elsewhere online. Man, if this were the version with the laser and light I'd be all over this. I could be like Carl in Caddyshack.

I may get it anyway, just to exercise my rights. I see that my previous zip codes in Miami-Dade are restricted (330xx), for whatever stupid reason.

Don't be a fool, or be fooled. Although an air rifle, this is a seriously accurate and powerful rifle. I originally purchased mine to zing the pesky deer eating my shrubs (and every thing else). I have unintentionally killed three of them now and seriously wounded others. Also I routinely shoot through a 1/2 inch plywood target backer at 75 yards. This is NOT a 'plinker'.

I'm puzzled by the zip code blockouts. It would make sense if they conformed to county or city boundaries, but they don't:



You can see how some counties are mostly blocked but leave a few zip codes open. And San Mateo county, below San Francisco, allows this shipped to most of it. Strange.

I looked into getting an air gun recently, and did a TON of research. Per the guy's review on amazon.com, he is still getting inconsistent groupings after 200 shots. From what I found out via research, it takes about 1,000 rounds to break in an air rifle. So, take that review with a grain of salt, I suppose.

If'n you are REALLY jazzed about air guns, look no further than the guys over at Pyramid Air: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Gamo_Varmint_Stalker_Deluxe_Air_Rifle/2526

They are air rifle enthusiasts through and through.

Good hunting, folks

ajswoot1 wrote:pretty poor review on amazon, only one showing there
http://www.amazon.com/Gamo-Varmint-Stalker-Deluxe-Whisper/product-reviews/B004WMFTK8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Buggsy2 - If that whole area were Bay, California would be a decent state.

How LOUD please? Perhaps a comparison, e.g. opening a pop-top can? Dropping a 2x4 four feet?

More than clicking a ball-point pen presumably. (Although some of the stuff the secret-squirrel military has is pretty amazing.)

I know, varies on/off-axis etc, but just a ballpark with either lead (quieter) or lighter-weight faster pellets? Tnx

megatron627 wrote:yeah, last time this deal was around, i was living in philly..woot charged me and a week later said that they can't ship to here even though they didn't list philly as one of the restricted areas..their reason was that if an area in any part of the state is restricted, the whole state is restricted? which i found cool kids, oh well

I live in montgomery county in south east pa, does anyone know if I can get it shipped? also I realize this is a dumb question but since this isn't a real gun, does one need a permit or can anyone just buy this thing?

hanscarlet wrote:I live in montgomery county in south east pa, does anyone know if I can get it shipped? also I realize this is a dumb question but since this isn't a real gun, does one need a permit or can anyone just buy this thing?

If you have any questions of that nature, service@woot.com should be able to assist.

Woodman668 wrote:Used to be you could paint a fake gun pink or orange or something and people would know it's fake... too many new guns coming out in designer colors.

Long before "designer colors" were available urban gangs figured that one out. They started painting real guns fluorescent orange, like the toys being produced, to fool passing cops apparently. None the less, "designer colors" are really bad IMHO.

abmac12 wrote:Don't be a fool, or be fooled. Although an air rifle, this is a seriously accurate and powerful rifle. I originally purchased mine to zing the pesky deer eating my shrubs (and every thing else). I have unintentionally killed three of them now and seriously wounded others. Also I routinely shoot through a 1/2 inch plywood target backer at 75 yards. This is NOT a 'plinker'.

If it has the range, maybe a paintball gun would give them a good whack on the rump?

EkLaw wrote:How LOUD please? Perhaps a comparison, e.g. opening a pop-top can? Dropping a 2x4 four feet?

More than clicking a ball-point pen presumably. (Although some of the stuff the secret-squirrel military has is pretty amazing.)

I know, varies on/off-axis etc, but just a ballpark with either lead (quieter) or lighter-weight faster pellets? Tnx

PBA is firecracker loud (crack when the pellet goes transonic).
Lead pellets are quiet enough most people ignore the tiny report. Most of the noise comes from the plunger. (no 'rifle crack' sound, think paintball gun?)

One bummer about this one, vs. the Lady Recon from an earlier woot!, is that you HAVE to use the scope on this one. Because of the bull-barrel, there are no iron sights. For another ~$70 you can get the laser and light and extra scope though.

gjbloom wrote:Specs say



I seem to recall that kinetic energy goes by the square of the velocity. KE = 1/2 m v^2 to be specific.

Now, for their magic pellet to add 30% to the velocity, the weight would have to be much less. In fact, to get a 30% higher velocity, the new pellets would have to weigh only 59% of what the old pellets weigh.

The density of lead is 11.36 gm/cm^3, so that would put the magic pellets at a density of 6.7 gm / cm^3, which happens to be the exact density of Zamak 3.

So perhaps this is what the mystery pellets are made of? It would be so much cooler to say "When hunting gophers, ordinary lead just won't keep them from becoming zombies. That's why I shoot pellets made of Zamak 3!"

Or maybe I've had quite enough coffee this morning, thanks.

You're going to need more coffee and more equations if you wish to understand ballistics.

abmac12 wrote:Don't be a fool, or be fooled. Although an air rifle, this is a seriously accurate and powerful rifle. I originally purchased mine to zing the pesky deer eating my shrubs (and every thing else). I have unintentionally killed three of them now and seriously wounded others. Also I routinely shoot through a 1/2 inch plywood target backer at 75 yards. This is NOT a 'plinker'.

I can understand you unintentionally killed the first deer; how did you unintentionally kill the other two?

djdeelio wrote:I moved from California to Texas 13 years ago. I desperately miss the mountains, but won't even entertain the thought of going back. I was giddy after the first six months when I saw how much more money I had in the bank after not having to over spend on everything. No state tax, but property taxes are higher. It means most of your tax dollars stay in your county instead of filtering it through some place like Sacramento.

Thank Howard Jarvis for that.