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Kelty Redwing 44 Backpack

Speed to First Woot:
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Last Purchase:
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rlochner


quality posts: 0 Private Messages rlochner

No kidding about backpack.woot :/

thedukeoftank


quality posts: 3 Private Messages thedukeoftank

If only they would get the 50L S/M & M/L adjustable packs or other large packs from Kelty. I still need a Lakota 65L and a Redwing 50L.

As for the pack, I picked one of these up for my little bro a few weeks ago and he loves it. Great pack for teens/smaller people as it is not adjustable.

neuropsychosocial


quality posts: 168 Private Messages neuropsychosocial

Kelty makes great packs with fabulous lumbar support, high quality and durable fabric, with fantastic customer service. If you're interested in this pack, we've had extensive discussions recently about the Kelty Shrike 32 Daypack, Kelty Avocet 30 Backpack, and Kelty Courser 40 Backpack; this pack was offered during the most recent woot-off and there are helpful comments in that thread from people who purchase the Redwing the last time that it was offered.

RIP A.A. Blanks (Obituary)

rootatlocalhost


quality posts: 1 Private Messages rootatlocalhost

"LightBeam aluminum stay" is an external c-beam laying on top of your spinal column. Presumably Kelty's target demographic's doing their hiking on a non-slip coated pavement: if I'm somewhere I might fall I want that thing the hell away from my spinal cord. I bike so I tried returning it -- Woot would have none of that (read the small print), so I went for option #2: the beam is easy to remove. With my usual load: a netbook, a lunch box, and an occasional bunch of groceries I can live without a frame.

If you do want an actual internal frame that isn't strategically positioned where it can push a vertebra into quadraplegic, the mothership has a couple of outdoor products in this price range that should fit the bill.

Other than that it's a good backpack. Unless you fill 'er up and try to use both the side pocket and the water bottle pocket under it at the same time. (With the pack mostly empty and only the tire patch kit in the side pocket it's ok.) It has a very decent hip strap and enough loops to keep its loose ends (once you adjust it to size 32 waist) from getting caught in your bike chain.

Overall it's a pretty good deal for $55.

sgtgreeneusmc


quality posts: 4 Private Messages sgtgreeneusmc

Forum discussion on Kelty packs and links to the previous Kelty item sales on Woot.

http://deals.woot.com/questions/details/12f171be-1bc6-4c66-8595-4166db5ff6de/with-all-this-kelty-gear-being-wooted-any-opinions-on-quality-durability-vs-othe#9

gregbowman


quality posts: 43 Private Messages gregbowman

Color kills the deal.

lwang


quality posts: 19 Private Messages lwang
rootatlocalhost wrote:"LightBeam aluminum stay" is an external c-beam laying on top of your spinal column. Presumably Kelty's target demographic's doing their hiking on a non-slip coated pavement: if I'm somewhere I might fall I want that thing the hell away from my spinal cord. I bike so I tried returning it -- Woot would have none of that (read the small print), so I went for option #2: the beam is easy to remove. With my usual load: a netbook, a lunch box, and an occasional bunch of groceries I can live without a frame.

If you do want an actual internal frame that isn't strategically positioned where it can push a vertebra into quadraplegic, the mothership has a couple of outdoor products in this price range that should fit the bill.

Other than that it's a good backpack. Unless you fill 'er up and try to use both the side pocket and the water bottle pocket under it at the same time. (With the pack mostly empty and only the tire patch kit in the side pocket it's ok.) It has a very decent hip strap and enough loops to keep its loose ends (once you adjust it to size 32 waist) from getting caught in your bike chain.

Overall it's a pretty good deal for $55.



If you are biking with a backpack this size, then you are to blame if you get into an accident. Having so much weight so high up will make you unstable. You should at least get some tourist stuff like panniers that keeps the weight low.

hondac95


quality posts: 3 Private Messages hondac95
gregbowman wrote:Color kills the deal.



Not that bad once you see it personally, got one for the wife thinking about the color, ended up being not too shabby and picked up one for myself last time they where on sale, also unless you are doing cover ops a bright color is easier to spot when camping/backpacking.

zwoodsman


quality posts: 1 Private Messages zwoodsman

Was waiting for Woot to offer this pack again but after reading more reviews I'm concerned about the safety issues related to the metal frame resting directly on the spine w/o any padding between. Apparently that's a design change from the previous version of the Redwing 44. I'm bummed b/c I was so looking forward to snagging one of these. Just watched the video on Backcountry EDGE and it looks great. If it weren't for that external metal stay it'd be a no-brainer. I'm on the fence again.

Quasiskunk


quality posts: 31 Private Messages Quasiskunk

Welcome to backpack.woot.com ..because there are no other sports other than hiking and camping. Besides, is camping really a sport?

MarkES


quality posts: 4 Private Messages MarkES

What does 'Torso Fit Range: 14.5" - 18.5" ' mean?

colbytitus


quality posts: 3 Private Messages colbytitus
rootatlocalhost wrote:"LightBeam aluminum stay" is an external c-beam laying on top of your spinal column. Presumably Kelty's target demographic's doing their hiking on a non-slip coated pavement: if I'm somewhere I might fall I want that thing the hell away from my spinal cord. I bike so I tried returning it -- Woot would have none of that (read the small print), so I went for option #2: the beam is easy to remove. With my usual load: a netbook, a lunch box, and an occasional bunch of groceries I can live without a frame.

If you do want an actual internal frame that isn't strategically positioned where it can push a vertebra into quadraplegic, the mothership has a couple of outdoor products in this price range that should fit the bill.

Other than that it's a good backpack. Unless you fill 'er up and try to use both the side pocket and the water bottle pocket under it at the same time. (With the pack mostly empty and only the tire patch kit in the side pocket it's ok.) It has a very decent hip strap and enough loops to keep its loose ends (once you adjust it to size 32 waist) from getting caught in your bike chain.

Overall it's a pretty good deal for $55.



I've read in other posts that the aluminum is bendable so I doubt it could do damage to bone. I'd be more worried about the rocks you may hit lol.

rambo91145


quality posts: 3 Private Messages rambo91145

Picked up about a month ago since its offered so much. its a great pack! Would be fine for an overnight hike, a bit large for a day hike but serviceable. I got mine for this and as a carry on so I don't have to bring luggage. It is very comfortable even when fully loaded and distributes weight well. The color is fine for a guy, its like a grey/blue color. Its not bright blue/cyan. I'm a big guy and it fit me fine but my petite GF tried it on and it was too big so small peeps be wary! It's well made and durable. Ivthink the spine bar is padded and bent in a way I am not really concerned about being injured. Overall an awesome pack for a great price!!

robertey


quality posts: 1 Private Messages robertey
zwoodsman wrote:Was waiting for Woot to offer this pack again but after reading more reviews I'm concerned about the safety issues related to the metal frame resting directly on the spine w/o any padding between. Apparently that's a design change from the previous version of the Redwing 44. I'm bummed b/c I was so looking forward to snagging one of these. Just watched the video on Backcountry EDGE and it looks great. If it weren't for that external metal stay it'd be a no-brainer. I'm on the fence again.




It's a non-issue. Unless you're hurtling along on a bike at 20 miles per hour and take a fall on top of the thing because you were stupid and loaded it with 35 pounds of gear, I wouldn't worry about it. I recently took a sliding spill on my back with my trusty but bulky kelty external frame, so I bought the previously wooted kelty courser 40. Now I feel a lot less topheavy, which is better for offtrail hiking, not to mention ducking under branches. Downside is carries a lot less and is not quite as comfortable. This would have been a great pack by the courser was big enough for the two or three day exursions I have time for these days.

gregbowman


quality posts: 43 Private Messages gregbowman
gregbowman wrote:Color kills the deal.


hondac95 wrote:unless you are doing cover ops a bright color is easier to spot when camping/backpacking.



Some of us do purchase items purposefully . . . and covert ops have nothing to do with it . . . your average deer, for instance, will see this blue as a "red flag" so to speak.

Deer are essentially red-green color blind like some humans. Their color vision is limited to the short (blue) and middle (green) wavelength colors. As a result, deer likely can distinguish blue from red, but not green from red, or orange from red. Therefore, it appears that a hunter would be equally suited wearing green, red, or orange clothing but perhaps slightly disadvantaged wearing blue.

For a more detailed explanation: deer are dichromats, meaning that the color-detecting cone cells in their retinas contain two visual pigments, blue-sensitive and green-sensitive. (Normal humans are trichromats, with three visual pigments.) Deer would be able to discriminate shades of blue and blue-green from other colors but would have trouble distinguishing colors in the green-to-red range. Reds would look black or dark gray, and some greens would be indistinguishable from white. This would be very similar to the color vision deficiency in humans known as protanopia.

In deer and other nocturnal to crepuscular animals, the cone cells are greatly outnumbered by rod cells that give them "black and white" vision. With the help of the reflective tapetum lucidum layer that produces that eerie "eyeshine" in a car's headlights, their night vision is far superior to ours. (We're not only night-blind compared to deer but colorblind compared to many other animals. Most birds have four types of visual pigments, Australian lungfish have five, and mantis shrimps have more than ten.)

As evolutionary biologists usually explain it, it all starts with our distant mammalian ancestors, who were little guys that came out mainly at night to stay out of the way of predators such as dinosaurs. They descended from reptiles that would have had good color vision, but at some point they lost all but two of the genes that code for visual pigments. Think of this as a cost-saving measure - it cut out the less useful color-detecting cells and made more room in the retina for the more useful night-vision cells.

Once the dinos were out of the way, the early mammals radiated to fill many niches, both diurnal and nocturnal. In most of those niches, including large herbivores such as deer, the long lost visual pigments weren't missed much. When our Old World primate ancestors took to the trees, a few mutants that produced a new kind of yellow/red-sensitive pigment had an advantage in detecting the ripest fruits and most succulent (and least toxic) young leaves. They survived better and produced more offspring than their red-blind (dichromat) relatives and became the founders of our family line.

COLOR KILLS THE DEAL.

rootatlocalhost


quality posts: 1 Private Messages rootatlocalhost
colbytitus wrote:I've read in other posts that the aluminum is bendable so I doubt it could do damage to bone. I'd be more worried about the rocks you may hit lol.



Right, why add more pointy bits?

It's not that bendable, there'd be no point in using it as a frame if it was.

As for

lwang wrote:If you are biking with a backpack this size, then you are to blame if you get into an accident. Having so much weight so high up will make you unstable

-- doesn't matter how much weight you have in it, it's about you landing on top of it.

Do they have panniers for skis, skates, or for when you slip & roll down the slope? --- Biking is not the only activity where you could do a flip and land on top of this thing at your weight times your speed squared.

Like I said, the beam is easily removable, mine's gathering dust somewhere in the wardrobe.


forthhs2005


quality posts: 0 Private Messages forthhs2005

is it a good pack for everyday use such as for school? Is it bigger than normal school bags? thanks.

mayeradamj


quality posts: 1 Private Messages mayeradamj

Picked this one up last time it was on Woot and it fit great right out of the box (I'm 5'9" 180 lbs). Took it up above 14,000 feet on Mt. Bierstadt and was very happy, although this pack is a bit too big for your average day hike. Works very well as a carry-on also, you can easily put 4-5 days worth of clothes and a couple pairs of shoes in here. Blue color looks great too - definitely recommend this pack.

oppsie


quality posts: 8 Private Messages oppsie
forthhs2005 wrote:is it a good pack for everyday use such as for school? Is it bigger than normal school bags? thanks.


It's 2650 cubic inches so it's pretty big, but it would be great for school. Holds a 17" laptop and plenty of books/clothes/small woodland creatures.

sgtgreeneusmc


quality posts: 4 Private Messages sgtgreeneusmc
gregbowman wrote:Color kills the deal.



The color is surprisingly nice in real life. Didn't think I'd like their orange packs either, but went ahead and ordered one last time the Courser was on sale (for safety and visibility for children) and my dad actually stole it from me...lol. Glad I ordered two. In short, I've been really pleased by the color palette on all the Kelty packs.

sgtgreeneusmc


quality posts: 4 Private Messages sgtgreeneusmc
gregbowman wrote:
COLOR KILLS THE DEAL.



BAM!!!

I do think he was just stating that the color isn't as bad as you might imagine from the pictures and that unless you have very particular needs (which, based on your oddly detailed description of visual acuity in deer, we concede that you do) this is a good pack in a good color.

jlcharles


quality posts: 1 Private Messages jlcharles

I bought one last time it was offered. I'm anxious to see how it works out on my trip to Shenandoah later this month. It's really going to be carrying stuff for my kids and some camera gear while we do some light hiking. I'll also be stopping at REI to pick up some sort of hydration bladder for it.

october8134


quality posts: 2 Private Messages october8134

I got this last time, wanted to chime in on a few of the concerns that's been mentioned.

1) The blue color is ok. It looks worst on the woot site, but it looks like a nice blue color in real life.

2) I don't think falling on the center support beam would do anything to your spine. There's thick padding on either side of the support beam. I don't see how it would cause more injury than falling on concrete or something. If you happen to be in a weird pose that would land 100% on your spine, you're going to be hurt simply because of the way you land, not so much because of the beam.

3) Those who use it as a travel backback rather than hiking: It's comfortable for walking around with a heavy load, so that's nice. But it won't hold any laptop computers. The water bladder holder is too tight. Netbook would be OK, but not a full size laptop.

EDIT: I meant to say that my 15.6" laptop does not fit in the bladder pocket of the main compartment. The bag is definitely big enough to hold any size laptop in the main compartment, but it'll flop around a bit.

4) Other reviews have criticized the side pocket arrangement - if you have something in the zippered side pocket, it precludes using the mesh pocket as water bottle. That's true. But the way Kelty did it gives you the flexibility to use the zippered pockets or mesh pockets. The side pockets are useful for all the little things (AC adapters blocks, camera) that don't sit flat. The mesh pockets are adequate for water bottle, they're not too shallow.

forthhs2005


quality posts: 0 Private Messages forthhs2005
oppsie wrote:It's 2650 cubic inches so it's pretty big, but it would be great for school. Holds a 17" laptop and plenty of books/clothes/small woodland creatures.



thanks. do you know how much bigger it is than a regular northface book bag?

inkycatz


quality posts: 105 Private Messages inkycatz
october8134 wrote:
3) Those who use it as a travel backback rather than hiking: It's comfortable for walking around with a heavy load, so that's nice. But it won't hold any laptop computers. The water bladder holder is too tight. Netbook would be OK, but not a full size laptop.



One of our buyers just put a 14.5" notebook in and it fit fine, so you know. (Yes, we asked about measuring for a 17" as a followup just to be sure - but oppsie above says it does fit just fine!)

Edited in: Verified! We just got an update - "The opening stretches out to about 17.5”. We just stuck a 17.3” Notebook in the bag and it took it like a champ!"

I'm just hanging out, really.

llandar


quality posts: 32 Private Messages llandar
Quasiskunk wrote:Welcome to backpack.woot.com ..because there are no other sports other than hiking and camping. Besides, is camping really a sport?



Don't forget golf!

october8134


quality posts: 2 Private Messages october8134
inkycatz wrote:One of our buyers just put a 14.5" notebook in and it fit fine, so you know. (Yes, we asked about measuring for a 17" as a followup just to be sure - but oppsie above says it does fit just fine!)

Edited in: Verified! We just got an update - "The opening stretches out to about 17.5”. We just stuck a 17.3” Notebook in the bag and it took it like a champ!"



Did you mean it fits in the main compartment, but not the bladder pocket?

Thanks for trying it. I should've clarified that by "fit", I meant whether it fits in the bladder pocket. A 2600 cu-in bag definitely can hold any laptop in the main compartment, but the laptop tends to flop around. My laptop is a 15.6" laptop, and wouldn't fit in the bladder pocket of the main compartment. This might matter to some people, even though it's a hiking backpack.

Sati


quality posts: 7 Private Messages Sati

I am really tempted to get this. I have a very small frame and this seems to be good for smaller folks. I like the blue. I am in need of a daypack.

One of my concerns is about the "Ventilating backpanel" & "Wicking back panel". Can anybody who's hiked with this pack tell me if a lot of heat builds up under the pack. I had another bag with a mesh panel that rested against the wearers back and then the main compartment could be adjusted to bow allowing airflow between the back and the pack. I loved that feature for cycling, because I built up a lot of heat biking just as I do when hiking.

Thanks for all of the input so far! :-)

lwang


quality posts: 19 Private Messages lwang
rootatlocalhost wrote:-- doesn't matter how much weight you have in it, it's about you landing on top of it.

Do they have panniers for skis, skates, or for when you slip & roll down the slope? --- Biking is not the only activity where you could do a flip and land on top of this thing at your weight times your speed squared.

Like I said, the beam is easily removable, mine's gathering dust somewhere in the wardrobe.


When you go skiing, do you worry about the sharp carbide ski pole tips jamming into parts of your body if you fall? Or your skip tips jamming into your brain if you take a tumbling fall with it? Or worry its razor sharp edges slicing your face off? A blunt piece aluminum held inside a padded compartment would be the least of my concern.

brujuliando


quality posts: 0 Private Messages brujuliando

Hi everybody. I bought this backpack 3 days ago and still in "waiting for shipping" status. Is this normal?

ThunderThighs


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brujuliando wrote:Hi everybody. I bought this backpack 3 days ago and still in "waiting for shipping" status. Is this normal?

Yes. It can take up to 5 business days for processing and shipping although it's often quicker.

brujuliando


quality posts: 0 Private Messages brujuliando

Ok, thank u for your answer