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Champion of the sun!

mayh658 wrote:Champion of the sun!

It's a master of hiking and friendship for everyone!

On other websites the Jade color appears green and the Jewel color looks like the turquoise color you show.

Amazon $89.95
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backcountryedge $71.95
http://www.backcountryedge.com/kelty-shrike-32.aspx

How much bigger is the Men's size than the Women's size? How much weight can this carry?

Since my backpack experience is primarily the simple model of a single layer of material with one front pocket (à la Jansport), I don't recognize some of the listed features. What do the following mean?

Hydration compatible
Panel loading
Reservoir sleeve
Side compression straps
Daisy Chain

Suspension Features:

HDPE frame sheet
Ventilating backpanel
Wicking back panel (non-sweat absorbent?)
Removable webbing waistbelt (is this similar to the sternum strap, but at the waist?)

emeister wrote:How much bigger is the Men's size than the Women's size? How much weight can this carry?

Since my backpack experience is primarily the simple model of a single layer of material with one front pocket (à la Jansport), I don't recognize some of the listed features. What do the following mean?

Hydration compatible
Panel loading
Reservoir sleeve
Side compression straps
Daisy Chain

Suspension Features:

HDPE frame sheet
Ventilating backpanel
Wicking back panel (non-sweat absorbent?)
Removable webbing waistbelt (is this similar to the sternum strap, but at the waist?)

Hydration compatible - You can but a camelback or other hydration blader inside and it is fitted so you can run the tube to the outside of the pack.
Panel loading - self explanitory. Instead of loading your gear through just the top IE top loading packs, you have load your gear into different panels IE pockets.
Reservoir sleeve - the place you will be putting your hydration bladder.
Side compression straps - these are the buckles on the side of the pack that allow you to tighten down whats inside your pack. This helps you while you hike because it stops your gear from moving around.
Daisy Chain- Used for attaching things to the outside of your pack just like molli webbing. In this pack you can also use some of it as a handle for your pack so that you can lift it up from the front of the pack.

HDPE frame sheet - Read this, http://www.whitemountain.com.au/fitting_backpacks/harness_afs_components.html
Ventilating backpanel - allows wind to slide though the back of the pack so that you don't keep moisture between your pack and yourself.
Wicking back panel- refers to the back panels ability to keep moisture off of you though mesh webbing.
Removable webbing waistbelt - yes. It's just saying you can remove the waist belt.

emeister wrote:How much bigger is the Men's size than the Women's size? How much weight can this carry?

Men's specs from Kelty site:
Dimensions:
Length: 22 in / 56 cm
Width: 13 in / 33 cm
Depth: 12.5 in / 31 cm
Volume: 2000 in3 / 33 L
Weight: 2 lb 3 oz / 1 kg
Suspension: One Size

Women's specs from Kelty site:
Dimensions:
Length: 22 in / 56 cm
Width: 13 in / 33 cm
Depth: 12.5 in / 31 cm
Volume: 2000 in3 / 33 L
Weight: 2 lb 2 oz / 0.9 kg
Suspension: One Size

Looks like they are the exact same size, just more "Manly" or "Womanly" colors and hold 33 Liters worth of stuff. Women's pack also looks to have a small flower embroidered on it.

speedogirl2 wrote:Men's specs from Kelty site:
Dimensions:
Length: 22 in / 56 cm
Width: 13 in / 33 cm
Depth: 12.5 in / 31 cm
Volume: 2000 in3 / 33 L
Weight: 2 lb 3 oz / 1 kg
Suspension: One Size

Women's specs from Kelty site:
Dimensions:
Length: 22 in / 56 cm
Width: 13 in / 33 cm
Depth: 12.5 in / 31 cm
Volume: 2000 in3 / 33 L
Weight: 2 lb 2 oz / 0.9 kg
Suspension: One Size

Looks like they are the exact same size, just more "Manly" or "Womanly" colors and hold 33 Liters worth of stuff.

Actually the difference is in the shoulder straps. Women packs are tapered away from the neck.

emeister wrote:How much bigger is the Men's size than the Women's size?

Typically with Kelty, the suspension is different on the women's models even if the packs are designed for the same torso size. Personally, I find the women's suspension to be significantly more comfortable than the men's, enough so that I've passed up several Kelty packs on woot, but your preference may depend on your size; I'm pretty small and have back problems, so it makes a difference to me.

In both men's and women's packs, the suspension frames can be - and should be - reshaped to fit your body.

neuropsychosocial wrote:Typically with Kelty, the suspension is different on the women's models even if the packs are designed for the same torso size. Personally, I find the women's suspension to be significantly more comfortable than the men's, enough so that I've passed up several Kelty packs on woot, but your preference may depend on your size; I'm pretty small and have back problems, so it makes a difference to me.

In both men's and women's packs, the suspension frames can be - and should be - reshaped to fit your body.

I didn't know the suspension is different as well. Good to know. I guess it's due to the fact that I never hiked with one. Good to know. Thanks

neuropsychosocial wrote:

In both men's and women's packs, the suspension frames can be - and should be - reshaped to fit your body.

Is there a special way to do this? Heat the plastic panel with a hairdryer?

speedogirl2 wrote:

Looks like they are the exact same size, just more "Manly" or "Womanly" colors and hold 33 Liters worth of stuff. Women's pack also looks to have a small flower embroidered on it.

For most backpacks the Major difference is color and marketing. But... some women's packs have narrower shoulder pads and/or shorter hip belts.

Only 1 ice pick loop? and it is not a rip off loop? When I am stuck freeclimbing on ice walls, I usually don't have time to take off my backpack and take off the ice pick. I want to grab the handle and tear it free from the backpack. Plus, I don't want to pull one out and the other one falls 5000' down. I need the other one to be there once the other hand is free.

speedogirl2 wrote:Is there a special way to do this? Heat the plastic panel with a hairdryer?

You just bend the stay to fit your body. It's just aluminum so its really easy. I think thats what he is referring to.

lwang wrote:Only 1 ice pick loop? and it is not a rip off loop? When I am stuck freeclimbing on ice walls, I usually don't have time to take off my backpack and take off the ice pick. I want to grab the handle and tear it free from the backpack. Plus, I don't want to pull one out and the other one falls 5000' down. I need the other one to be there once the other hand is free.

Do you have any packs you recommend for such an activity. I do some repealing but never did an ice wall. Sound like a blast. Maybe I will do something like that in January on my next winter hiking trip.

digitalurbancamo wrote:You just bend the stay to fit your body. It's just aluminum so its really easy. I think thats what he is referring to.

I thought he was referring to the frame sheet which is made of HDPE (high density polyethylene = plastic).

speedogirl2 wrote:I thought he was referring to the frame sheet which is made of HDPE (high density polyethylene = plastic).

Those are not removable in the kelty packs. At least on any I know of. However the stays are and the are often explained on how to do so with the paper work that comes with the pack. If it's anything like the Kelty redwing it just comes out by lifting the packs upper portion over where the hydration bladder goes and you just remove the Velcro strap and the stay comes right out.

.......EDIT..........



This is my Kelty Redwing 44 in java color.

This is how to take out the stay

After you open the main conpartment you roll over the top.

Proced to open the Velcro that is now visable.

Now just open that last bit of Velcro that holds the stay and you can remove it.


Sorry for the crud pictures. I just thought a visual might help explain what I was trying to say.

Two days ago, woot offered the Kelty Avocet 30 and I posted some extensive reviews, including how wonderful the lumbar support is, pictures with a tour (some of the features are similar to this pack), and information about waterproofing (short version: the fabric and zippers are treated to be quite waterproof, although if you're hiking in a rain forest, you'll want a rain cover). I won't repeat that information here, unless someone request some clarification or elaboration, which I'm happy to provide to the best of my knowledge. I don't own this pack (well, I kinda don't own it: I mean, I guess I own it now, but I can't post reviews of it until woot ships it to me!), but I own two different Kelty packs, purchased after about a year of research at non-woot prices, and I really love them. Absolutely top-notch bags. If people have questions about Kelty, I'll do my best to answer them given that I don't yet have this specific pack in my possession.

I own the Kelty Women Courser 40 in Jade. Here's a lousy picture of the colors:

And here's a lousy close-up of the colors that is a little less washed out:

(BTW, Kelty bags really do clean up perfectly with a washcloth and water. I just haven't bothered since the last time that I used the bag!)

digitalurbancamo wrote:Do you have any packs you recommend for such an activity. I do some repealing but never did an ice wall. Sound like a blast. Maybe I will do something like that in January on my next winter hiking trip.

No, usually it is all ice or rocks, so ice pick is always used. But with the warming, many of the lower section has to be climbed freehand, and when we hit the ice section, got to grab the ice picks.

neuropsychosocial wrote:Two days ago, woot offered the Kelty Avocet 30 and I posted some extensive reviews, including how wonderful the lumbar support is, pictures with a tour (some of the features are similar to this pack), and information about waterproofing (short version: the fabric and zippers are treated to be quite waterproof, although if you're hiking in a rain forest, you'll want a rain cover). I won't repeat that information here, unless someone request some clarification or elaboration, which I'm happy to provide to the best of my knowledge. I don't own this pack (well, I kinda don't own it: I mean, I guess I own it now, but I can't post reviews of it until woot ships it to me!), but I own two different Kelty packs, purchased after about a year of research at non-woot prices, and I really love them. Absolutely top-notch bags. If people have questions about Kelty, I'll do my best to answer them given that I don't yet have this specific pack in my possession.

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(BTW, Kelty bags really do clean up perfectly with a washcloth and water. I just haven't bothered since the last time that I used the bag!)

Nice post!

lwang wrote:No, usually it is all ice or rocks, so ice pick is always used. But with the warming, many of the lower section has to be climbed freehand, and when we hit the ice section, got to grab the ice picks.

Sorry but that didn't really answer my question.

digitalurbancamo wrote:Those are not removable in the kelty packs. At least on any I know of.

this one doesn't have a alum stay, looks like it is just a plastic sheet. Anyway, the plastic sheet is easily removed by curving it somewhat so it is smaller than the velcro opening on top, and you slight it up. This plastic sheet is soft, so there is no heating up or anything. It will just form the the curvature of your back, but at the same time, could deform by the weight of the bag.

HDPE = plastic.

digitalurbancamo wrote:Sorry but that didn't really answer my question.

answer was no, no specific pack recommended. But want to look for one with a ripcord ice pick loops

lwang wrote:answer was no, no specific pack recommended. But want to look for one with a ripcord ice pick loops

From the video I posted it looks like its compatible with it though. I don't own this pack so ill take your word for it.

Ok thank you. I misunderstood your answer.

oh, it is time to replace my old Adidas backpack, this one seems better , i like its design

Anyone know where this pack is made?

Any idea how this would be appropriate for a bike commuter? (I don't like messenger bags.)

Can anyone confirm this pack lacks an aluminum internal stay (in addition to the plastic sheet)?

digitalurbancamo wrote:Hydration compatible - You can but a camelback or other hydration blader inside and it is fitted so you can run the tube to the outside of the pack.
Panel loading - self explanitory. Instead of loading your gear through just the top IE top loading packs, you have load your gear into different panels IE pockets.
Reservoir sleeve - the place you will be putting your hydration bladder.
Side compression straps - these are the buckles on the side of the pack that allow you to tighten down whats inside your pack. This helps you while you hike because it stops your gear from moving around.
Daisy Chain- Used for attaching things to the outside of your pack just like molli webbing. In this pack you can also use some of it as a handle for your pack so that you can lift it up from the front of the pack.

HDPE frame sheet - Read this, http://www.whitemountain.com.au/fitting_backpacks/harness_afs_components.html
Ventilating backpanel - allows wind to slide though the back of the pack so that you don't keep moisture between your pack and yourself.
Wicking back panel- refers to the back panels ability to keep moisture off of you though mesh webbing.
Removable webbing waistbelt - yes. It's just saying you can remove the waist belt.

digitalurbancamo wrote:Actually the difference is in the shoulder straps. Women packs are tapered away from the neck.

Thanks for your help, digitalurbancamo -- great information!

By the way,
Key fob (key chain? removable?)
Carry handle (is this different from the usual hook loop at the top of the backpack? how so)

The other Kelty Pack the other day, the Avocet 30, was, I think, $29.99. This is $10 more. Is this one $10 better? What's a reason to buy this over the Avocet 30?

Anyone mind telling me why this is worth $10 more than the avocet?

magyargirl wrote:The other Kelty Pack the other day, the Avocet 30, was, I think, $29.99. This is $10 more. Is this one $10 better? What's a reason to buy this over the Avocet 30?

The Avocet was top loading, and (I think) had only one large storage compartment (not including the hydration pack slot). This one has additional pockets for sorting stuff, and the external mesh bottle pockets. In other words, more features.

I don't know what Keltys are like (just ordered this one, yay), but in other backpacks I've used the key fob is just an easily accessible hook for your keys so you don't have to dig through your stuff to find them.

REI's reviews put this as a 2010 pack (although I don't know if that was only for the color listed on its website or what). It earned 3.8 out of 5 stars in four reviews. I was more excited before I read them...

magyargirl wrote:REI's reviews put this as a 2010 pack (although I don't know if that was only for the color listed on its website or what). It earned 3.8 out of 5 stars in four reviews. I was more excited before I read them...

Those weren't such bad reviews. The negative parts were mostly about the cost but one would assume they paid retail (or one poster indicated they got it on sale) as opposed to the Wootprice.

IMO, the price it's being offered is commensurate w/ the quality.

In for 1.

I do day hikes, but mostly to get places to draw or paint - I'm looking for a bag that I can put a sketch book and pencils, or a small pochade box in. Can it handle a 10x12 box or notepad, and a smaller box with some pencils in it? How about with the hydration bladder installed?

33 liters is a lot of space, but if it's not structured right, then the bag won't work.

--Jon

magyargirl wrote:REI's reviews put this as a 2010 pack (although I don't know if that was only for the color listed on its website or what).

Kelty tends to make small adjustments and/or color changes to its lines every few years. The women's pack is on sale on their website (for around $68; I didn't check for shipping costs), so I wouldn't be surprised if they are liquidating the 2010 colors by selling them to woot at a deep discount.