How do you keep your items safe?

before you decide to purchase any of these Stack-on safes take a look at this article:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/gun-safes/

Before you get one of the Biometric ones, take a quick look at this video. It shows how quickly and easily you can get into these particular safes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGrgZQMTok

I don't understand the concept of a battery powered coded lock. Low battery light and backup key? You either have to check the safe regularly or always know where the key is which defeats the purpose of having a code. How the hell is that useful?!

sunniraindrop wrote:I don't understand the concept of a battery powered coded lock. Low battery light and backup key? You either have to check the safe regularly or always know where the key is which defeats the purpose of having a code. How the hell is that useful?!

Don't worry, if you check out the Wired article above you'll see that you don't have to worry about the battery at all! You just need a shim, piece of coat hanger, or a plastic straw to open these bad boys up. Never get locked out of your, or anyone else's, safe again!

shilohnelson wrote:Before you get one of the Biometric ones, take a quick look at this video. It shows how quickly and easily you can get into these particular safes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGrgZQMTok

There is a less than stellar review on the Stack-On site for that Biometric safe. I was pretty interested in it, but I'm a little concerned based on the review. I'll hunt down a few more and return (can't see the video right now).

tikimon wrote:before you decide to purchase any of these Stack-on safes take a look at this article:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/gun-safes/

Holy crap! I've seen bad but this is really bad!

Been a wooter for a long time. Never felt compelled to post anything, until today.

A 3 yr old in California was able to open a Stack-On and was killed when he accessed the gun inside! Shame on this company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Wzt0vJvOI&list=UUh2mgLapvQ7psOWQKb2a8xQ&index=1&feature=plcp

So, from what I'm seeing, just don't bother. Which sucks, because I need a gun safe =/

Are these fireproof at all?

jai151 wrote:So, from what I'm seeing, just don't bother. Which sucks, because I need a gun safe =/

Same. I dont think woot should sell these, since they are defective, and linked to murders and/or deaths.

"Biometric" just means they have to cut your finger off before they steal your stuff.

Edit: Just saw tikimon's post. Wow. Just hope the robbers have seen the same video.

After watching the videos, these safes are clearly worthless and probably dangerous. Please take down these items, and refund the suckers' money.

Safes are not for keeping kids with days upon days to fiddle with things out of your guns. They are for keeping criminals with only 5 mins out of your guns. Teach you kids firearms safety and prevent these problems. That said everyone into guns pretty much thinks stack on is junk.

jakeiscrazy wrote:Safes are not for keeping kids with days upon days to fiddle with things out of your guns. They are for keeping criminals with only 5 mins out of your guns. Teach you kids firearms safety and prevent these problems. That said everyone into guns pretty much thinks stack on is junk.

Every criminal learns how to get into a Stack-On safe in under 5 minutes in Criminal - 101, duh!

jakeiscrazy wrote:Safes are not for keeping kids with days upon days to fiddle with things out of your guns. They are for keeping criminals with only 5 mins out of your guns. Teach you kids firearms safety and prevent these problems. That said everyone into guns pretty much thinks stack on is junk.

No.

To even meet the minimum UL rating a residential lockbox should be able to withstand at least 5 minutes of vigorous prying/drilling/hammering attacks. That doesn't even get it called a "safe," that gets it called a "residential security container."

For the UL to classify something as a "safe" it needs to be able to withstand at least either 15 or 30 minutes of assault with power tools, by engineers with access to its blueprints.

Many Stack-On safes open if you set the handle against the stop, then pick up one edge and drop it. Barring that you can just pop the latch with a coat hanger in a matter of seconds. These are less secure than your average locking mailbox, and calling them "safes" is wildly inappropriate.

jai151 wrote:So, from what I'm seeing, just don't bother. Which sucks, because I need a gun safe =/

I bought mine from Walmart (online), it's not fireproof or even all that fancy, it is a 5 gun (rifle safe) that is secured to my closet walls. The nice thing about it was that it uses a very complex key. My buddy had a go at it with his lock pick tools and he gave up after 20 minutes. I have tried using a pry bar to see if I could get in, and the only way I see of getting in is to use a grinder, which with my reloading powder at the bottom is likely a very bad idea.

Price has gone up a bit since I bought it, but it is a tank. Use some proper lag screws into the studs in your wall and you'd be set.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sentry-5-Gun-Safe/4244347

But I bought this to keep theives out of it, I figure if you break in, you'll spend your time stealing my nice TV, PS3, computer, etc, etc before you try to overcome a complex lock mechanism.

My only note about the safe is that the key is huge. It doesn't bother me, as it means it is harder to lose. That may bother others though. I just keep it on my house and garage keys.

My god, how are these products still on the market?
these products are garbage.
dangerous garbage.
Woot, you should remove them from your site

the wired article linked above (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/gun-safes/) is shocking. woot selling these is disappointing. the company's response to the failures of their "safes" is pathetic. actually, i have to call it negligent after there's been at least one death attributed to them.

Asked this week if it planned to recall the safes or fix them, Stack-On said in a statement to Wired that its products provide “secure solutions that are certified to meet the California Department of Justice (DOJ) standards…. This certification involves testing, by an independent laboratory approved by California DOJ, for compliance with their adopted standards. In addition, our Portable Cases comply with TSA airline firearm guidelines. We are proud of this designation and the protection we provide.”

skatingbrit3 wrote:I bought mine from Walmart (online), it's not fireproof or even all that fancy, it is a 5 gun (rifle safe) that is secured to my closet walls. The nice thing about it was that it uses a very complex key. My buddy had a go at it with his lock pick tools and he gave up after 20 minutes. I have tried using a pry bar to see if I could get in, and the only way I see of getting in is to use a grinder, which with my reloading powder at the bottom is likely a very bad idea.

Price has gone up a bit since I bought it, but it is a tank. Use some proper lag screws into the studs in your wall and you'd be set.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sentry-5-Gun-Safe/4244347

But I bought this to keep theives out of it, I figure if you break in, you'll spend your time stealing my nice TV, PS3, computer, etc, etc before you try to overcome a complex lock mechanism.

My only note about the safe is that the key is huge. It doesn't bother me, as it means it is harder to lose. That may bother others though. I just keep it on my house and garage keys.

Something to keep in mind when I finally save up for my ar-15 and a shotgun =) For the moment, though, I need something smaller since all I have is my sidearm, a CZ SP-01. I've got some leads, but what I really want is one I can mount between my bed and nightstand, door up, so that if I need it, it's quite literally at hand. They make them, I just need to do more research (and avoid stack-on like the plague). Luckily I have something that works for now and no children to worry about.

With all the bad press surrounding these safes, it's really surprising that Woot keeps selling them. They should really be taken off the market entirely, but the company claims they have been tested and won't recall them. These are a poorly made, insecure product that lulls people into a false sense of security and has resulted in the death of at least one child.

As others have said, these should be removed and never posted by Woot again.

Hey wow.... the gun safes......... again.

jai151 wrote:Something to keep in mind when I finally save up for my ar-15 and a shotgun =) For the moment, though, I need something smaller since all I have is my sidearm, a CZ SP-01. I've got some leads, but what I really want is one I can mount between my bed and nightstand, door up, so that if I need it, it's quite literally at hand. They make them, I just need to do more research (and avoid stack-on like the plague). Luckily I have something that works for now and no children to worry about.

Check out Cheaper than Dirt or Midway USA. They will probably have something that suits your needs. Personally, if you are going to buy a long gun in the near future, I'd get a full size safe. As for the nighttime protection, I just stick my .45 under the pillow (long story as to why I started doing that). Been doing it for years and have no issues. When I leave then, in the safe, or holster it goes, depending on where I am headed.

These safes are great, and let me tell you why:

Buy two of them. One that can fit inside the other.
Put a brick inside the smallest safe and lock it all up in the larger safe.

You now have a perfect decoy that will fool thieves and children alike.


Then, buy a real safe and store your firearms and loot inside it(and out of view of the foolish ones).

See, I'm sure Woot! had this in mind when they offered to host the sale of Stack-on's crappy boxes.

The overall quality of the safe is not nearly as important as the quality of the gun owner. Why is the child alone with the safe long enough to crack it?

But seriously - if you have children in the house... read the article and watch the video. Then spend the money on something that keeps your kids safe when you hire a sitter.

JobyOne wrote:No.

To even meet the minimum UL rating a residential lockbox should be able to withstand at least 5 minutes of vigorous prying/drilling/hammering attacks. That doesn't even get it called a "safe," that gets it called a "residential security container."

For the UL to classify something as a "safe" it needs to be able to withstand at least either 15 or 30 minutes of assault with power tools, by engineers with access to its blueprints.

Many Stack-On safes open if you set the handle against the stop, then pick up one edge and drop it. Barring that you can just pop the latch with a coat hanger in a matter of seconds. These are less secure than your average locking mailbox, and calling them "safes" is wildly inappropriate.

Bolt it down and then that problem is solved.

jakeiscrazy wrote:Bolt it down and then that problem is solved.

No again.

Only one of those problems is solved if you bolt it down. The locks on many of their models are still stupidly easy to jimmy.

These kinds of cheap-ass Wal-Mart "safes" are security theater, and nothing more.

Interior Capacity = "All storage"

Great description woot!

Thanks guys for all the info I'm not even gonna bother to try and protect my gun with this thing. Apparently I should just hide it and I will have a better shot of protecting it then if I were to buy this piece of junk.

The information and videos from this Forbes article made my jaw drop. I'm surprised woot is willing to accept the liability of selling these non-safes, honestly.