crazyxcarl


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Does this bike fully assembled upon shipment?

ROGETRAY


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Staff

It has come to our attention that the specifications on today's bike on Sport.Woot has been listed incorrectly. Earlier this morning, the Schwinn Katana Road Bike was listed as having
"Aero 36 Spoke Alloy Wheels w/ Paired Spokes".

The CORRECT listing/specification is
"Aero 24 Spoke Alloy Wheels w/ Paired Spokes".
If you purchased this bike and feel you would like to modify your order, please email us at service@woot.com and we'll be glad to assist you with this issue.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Sincerely,
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farley999


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wootmeharder wrote:Wow, I actually feel sorry for the people that bought this. Oh well, there will be a flood of them on Craigslist over the next few months lol.




Give some factual basis for your feelings comment.

Katmandoo122


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This is a good deal for someone looking to get on the road instead of the two track or trail. But it's not a great deal for anyone looking to get into racing.

Why?

Not the frame...that's fine. It's a little heavy, in the range of 24 pounds or so, but there's nothing wrong with the frame. Frankly, for a project bike, you could have a lot of fun using it as base.

It's not the derailer...I rode a rental on vacation with this exact grouping and the derailer never failed. It worked better than my 105s at time (although my 105s have a lot of miles and are in need of tuning).

It's not the pedals. Most decent bikes don't come with pedals so anything you get is gravy or temporary.

No, the real reason is that it has downtube shifters. I don't understand why they even make those anymore on a "road" bike. You will spend too much time moving out of race position to shift these. And I'm not even sure if Shimano makes a road bike 7 speed to replace them with.

SOme people are find with downtube shifters but I think it's crazy on a non upright road bike. Why go through the discomfort of a road bike if you have shifters that are positioned for a touring bike?

Anyway, good price for a flawed design.

And, like others have said, Schwinn is as much Schwinn and Polaroid is Polaroid these days.

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cdmcgowan


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This thing is what enthusiasts call a BSO-- a Bike-Shaped Object. It's a piece of junk you'll regret buying. It's heavy, has goofy shifters, absolutely the cheapest components available and WILL break in many ways if you actually use it.

I have no love for Dorel, but contrary to what many others have said, not all the bike brands that they now market are junk. Cannondale in particular has some very high-end bikes ridden by top pro riders. High-end GT and Schwinn bikes are likewise good enthusiast bikes. All three are made in the same factories in Taiwan that make the great majority of quality bikes in the world, including a lot of Trek's (except for their very high-end bikes).

If you want an inexpensive new bike and can handle a little wrenching, try bikesdirect.com or bikenashbar.com. Both have decent-quality entry-level road bikes in the $400-$600 range. Any new road bike below that in cost is not worth buying.

If you don't have that much to spend, consider buying a used bike from the 80s if you can find one in good shape. You can buy a bike from that era with a butted chromoly steel frame and downtube shifters that will be lighter and less likely to break than this BSO. If you decide you like road biking, you can later sell it for about the same price you paid and buy a more modern bike with integrated shifters.

Shame on Woot for trying to foist this thing on inexperienced riders.

Katmandoo122


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crazyxcarl wrote:Does this bike fully assembled upon shipment?



It says it's mostly assembled but you likely have to put on the wheels, chains, and perhaps brakes. ANything beyond that and you should pay someone to do it.

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Kanchi555


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Waterford Cycles is the company run by the great-grandson of Ignaz Schwinn. They make fancy dance custom bikes that don't get cheaper than about $1200 for a frame without components. So at least a Schwinn is still making good bikes.

schlazz


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eastcobbler wrote:36-24-36?



awesome

Anorion


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ROGETRAY wrote:It has come to our attention that the specifications on today's bike on Sport.Woot has been listed incorrectly. Earlier this morning, the Schwinn Katana Road Bike was listed as having
"Aero 36 Spoke Alloy Wheels w/ Paired Spokes".

The CORRECT listing/specification is
"Aero 24 Spoke Alloy Wheels w/ Paired Spokes".
If you purchased this bike and feel you would like to modify your order, please email us at service@woot.com and we'll be glad to assist you with this issue.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Sincerely,
Woot Staff



You missed a spot. It still says 36-spoke on the Features page.

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ROGETRAY


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Anorion wrote:You missed a spot. It still says 36-spoke on the Features page.



Good spot, thank you sir/madam :D

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spy4uinc


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NewMaster wrote:If I had to guess, it probably weighs 27 lbs. or so. Unless you have a short torso and long legs, it won't fit...and even if you did have long legs, the distance between the handlebars and saddle would likely be too great.



Amazon has specs ans it is listed as 22lbs, but a reviewer stated that his was 24 as best as he could get on the scale.

nanaejt


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farley999 wrote:Give some factual basis for your feelings comment.



I'm also interested as to why this is not a good $200 bike

druesch17


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Agreed. Cannondale makes pretty great bikes at most price levels. As I tell every customer I deal with at the shop I work at, most bike companies make both good (high-end) bikes, and most make junk bikes (low-end). Almost everything is made in the same 3-5 factories in Taiwan and China. Unless its priced at about 10x the price of the bike listed here.
Not everyone needs a carbon frame with full dura-ace..... But nobody needs this bike. Its lousy.

cdmcgowan wrote:This thing is what enthusiasts call a BSO-- a Bike-Shaped Object. It's a piece of junk you'll regret buying. It's heavy, has goofy shifters, absolutely the cheapest components available and WILL break in many ways if you actually use it.

I have no love for Dorel, but contrary to what many others have said, not all the bike brands that they now market are junk. Cannondale in particular has some very high-end bikes ridden by top pro riders. High-end GT and Schwinn bikes are likewise good enthusiast bikes. All three are made in the same factories in Taiwan that make the great majority of quality bikes in the world, including a lot of Trek's (except for their very high-end bikes).

If you want an inexpensive new bike and can handle a little wrenching, try bikesdirect.com or bikenashbar.com. Both have decent-quality entry-level road bikes in the $400-$600 range. Any new road bike below that in cost is not worth buying.

If you don't have that much to spend, consider buying a used bike from the 80s if you can find one in good shape. You can buy a bike from that era with a butted chromoly steel frame and downtube shifters that will be lighter and less likely to break than this BSO. If you decide you like road biking, you can later sell it for about the same price you paid and buy a more modern bike with integrated shifters.

Shame on Woot for trying to foist this thing on inexperienced riders.



Spotsmom


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cakeface wrote:Does anyone know how this weighs? Will I fit on it if I'm only 5'3"?



Only if you have disproportionately long legs! Believe me, you will get hurt on this bike if your legs are not long enough!

Spotsmom


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amosdudley wrote:I really wish I weren't so damn tall sometimes. It costs an arm and a leg to get a nice road bike frame for my stature (6'3").

Oh well.



I sympathize. At 4'9", I had to custom-order a frame, and it was recommended to get the smaller frame with larger (standard-sized) wheels on a women's bike frame, so I could keep up with others. The bike store gave me good advice. I've had my bike for 30+ years, and still love it. I get it serviced by a Schwinn tech (it was a Schwinn Varsity -- a classic from the 1970s) and it was a good investment. So good, in fact, that husband got one of same vintage, but the next price category up from Varsity, and he still uses his, too. Invest in quality, and you will come out ahead.

Oh, and amosdudley, you are not much out of the average height range. At least you can drive a car without major modifications! Wish I could say the same.;)

runner0382


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cdmcgowan wrote:This thing is what enthusiasts call a BSO-- a Bike-Shaped Object. It's a piece of junk you'll regret buying. It's heavy, has goofy shifters, absolutely the cheapest components available and WILL break in many ways if you actually use it.

I have no love for Dorel, but contrary to what many others have said, not all the bike brands that they now market are junk. Cannondale in particular has some very high-end bikes ridden by top pro riders. High-end GT and Schwinn bikes are likewise good enthusiast bikes. All three are made in the same factories in Taiwan that make the great majority of quality bikes in the world, including a lot of Trek's (except for their very high-end bikes).

If you want an inexpensive new bike and can handle a little wrenching, try bikesdirect.com or bikenashbar.com. Both have decent-quality entry-level road bikes in the $400-$600 range. Any new road bike below that in cost is not worth buying.

If you don't have that much to spend, consider buying a used bike from the 80s if you can find one in good shape. You can buy a bike from that era with a butted chromoly steel frame and downtube shifters that will be lighter and less likely to break than this BSO. If you decide you like road biking, you can later sell it for about the same price you paid and buy a more modern bike with integrated shifters.

Shame on Woot for trying to foist this thing on inexperienced riders.



I couldn't agree more. I ride a Taiwanese-made carbon Mongoose road bike that is marketed in Europe under the Kinesis brand. Not all bikes made under the big umbrellas are bad. But, I know my bikes and raced in college, and I even had a Schwinn Fastback Pro while Schwinn still produced handmade frames in CO. Trust this man's advice or you will get burned. Some of the upper end Dorel products can be good to spectacular deals compared to that of its rivals, but this lowend cheapo ain't it!

lparsons42


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cdmcgowan wrote:
If you want an inexpensive new bike and can handle a little wrenching, try bikesdirect.com or bikenashbar.com.



I must disagree with your recommendation of bikenashbar.com. While their prices are good for sure, their website is horrifically insecure. Twice in the past 10 years when I have ordered from them *all* of my credit card information was somehow leaked. Before I knew it people were buying all kinds of random stuff with my credit card and sending it all over the place (oddly enough some of it was sent to my house).

Once is bad. Twice is unforgivable and not a coincidence. I would rather pay more at a brick and mortar store than go through that nightmare again. One time as a result I had to call up multiple online dating sites and tell them that not only did I not place an ad, but I am happily married.

Thankfully, I check my credit card activity several times a day so I saw it quickly (and it was a check card set to decline overdrafts). Had it been my visa with a $22k limit they could have done some real damage.

In short, don't ever give nashbar your credit card. Better yet, don't ever shop there.

And I'm not the only person who has had that happen, either.

whatsamattaU


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lparsons42 wrote:I must disagree with your recommendation of bikenashbar.com. While their prices are good for sure, their website is horrifically insecure. Twice in the past 10 years when I have ordered from them *all* of my credit card information was somehow leaked. Before I knew it people were buying all kinds of random stuff with my credit card and sending it all over the place (oddly enough some of it was sent to my house).

Once is bad. Twice is unforgivable and not a coincidence. I would rather pay more at a brick and mortar store than go through that nightmare again. One time as a result I had to call up multiple online dating sites and tell them that not only did I not place an ad, but I am happily married.

Thankfully, I check my credit card activity several times a day so I saw it quickly (and it was a check card set to decline overdrafts). Had it been my visa with a $22k limit they could have done some real damage.

In short, don't ever give nashbar your credit card. Better yet, don't ever shop there.

And I'm not the only person who has had that happen, either.



This is why I like woot, because of helpful input like this. I didn't buy this bike today, but I certainly know where I'm not going to buy a bike in the future now. Thanks.

jmbunkin


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lparsons42 wrote:I must disagree with your recommendation of bikenashbar.com. While their prices are good for sure, their website is horrifically insecure. Twice in the past 10 years when I have ordered from them *all* of my credit card information was somehow leaked. Before I knew it people were buying all kinds of random stuff with my credit card and sending it all over the place (oddly enough some of it was sent to my house).

Once is bad. Twice is unforgivable and not a coincidence. I would rather pay more at a brick and mortar store than go through that nightmare again. One time as a result I had to call up multiple online dating sites and tell them that not only did I not place an ad, but I am happily married.

Thankfully, I check my credit card activity several times a day so I saw it quickly (and it was a check card set to decline overdrafts). Had it been my visa with a $22k limit they could have done some real damage.

In short, don't ever give nashbar your credit card. Better yet, don't ever shop there.

And I'm not the only person who has had that happen, either.



Have not used Bikenashbar's web site but I have a 25 year old Nashbar bike and it was a great bike in it's day.

NewMaster


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lparsons42 wrote:
In short, don't ever give nashbar your credit card. Better yet, don't ever shop there.



FWIW, Nashbar's parent company is Performance.

DaZoneRanger


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lparsons42 wrote:The homegrown was a fantastic bike back when Schwinn made quality bikes. I have a Moab from the same era and it is a great bike too.

However, I'm sure you know that the parent company of Pacific Cycle (WalMart/Target brand) bought out the Schwinn name since then and now puts it on their lousy bikes. There is a rumor that you can still get a quality Schwinn new somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

I even used to work at a Schwinn dealer years ago - before they were bought out - and the last time I drove past the dealer they were still a bike shop but they no longer carry Schwinn at all. That is really saying something, since they used to have Schwinn right in their name.



You wouldn't happen to be fromCovina, would you? When I was a kid, there was Covina Valley Schwinn. I think the shop is still there and is still a bike shop, but they no longer have Schwinn in there name and no longer sell them.

r4v5


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nanaejt wrote:I'm also interested as to why this is not a good $200 bike



Because it will fall apart, spectacularly, if ridden hard.

The kinds of people who want a bike but only want to pay $200 for it are, generally, not the kind of people who are capable of the upkeep and maintenance required to safely keep a $200 bike rideable.

For starters: road bikes are not "one size fits all." In order to be able to ride at any level of comfort, you need to have the distance between saddle and pedal to within a few mm of optimal. You need to have a saddle that fits your "sit bones." You need to have a stem that puts the hoods of the brake levers right where you comfortably can reach them. You need spacers to place the handlebars at a comfortable height above the headset. Shops will help you swap parts out to properly fit you to your bike, because they want you to actually use the damn thing and come in for consumables and because it's a point of professional pride. This bike offers almost no adjustability of fit and in this thread you have people from 5'3 to 5'9 clamoring to ask if this bike fits them -- the answer is almost guaranteed to be "no" for this thing stock, unless they happen to be a perfect match for the random body Dorel decided would ride this.

So okay, you buy it and it fits you like a glove somehow. At a minimum, you'll need to replace the wheels right quick. 24 spokes isn't always terrible -- and race wheels have fewer -- but *these* 24-spoke wheels are. Instead of making a higher quality wheel that can stay true with only 24 spokes, they just make the rims heavier and increase spoke tension, and when they go out of true they're even harder to get back to true. So there's $150-ish right there.

Otherwise, when the wheels go out of true, you'll have to loosen the brakes enough to make an entire revolution without the bent rim rubbing the pads. And looser brakes = less stopping power.

You'll probably feel that if you're buying new wheels, you might as well replace the cassette on the back (if you're lucky and they aren't using a 7-speed freewheel, in which case, you'll be replacing the rear wheel as soon as you hit a bump and the rear axle breaks).

Hell, maybe your replacement wheelset comes with a cassette. Almost nobody makes 7-speed cassettes anymore, and those that exist are geared for mountain bikes (huge range between the gears, larger biggest-gear). So you think about maybe putting an 8- or 9-speed on it to get a bit smaller of a jump between gears, and suddenly you need a new rear shifter. So you look and you can't find indexed stem shifters, so instead you're using salt water old tech, buying indexed bar-end shifters ($40-$90) or STI levers ($80-$100ish).

For $350 or so, you can buy a used bike or even some new bikes from an LBS that actually cares about their customer base, work with them to fit it to you, and have people who will back you on any issues you may have and keep you safe and riding happily.

That's why this bike for $200 is a stupid idea. If you're going to get a department store level piece of trash, get it in a mountain bike style. At least then you'll be able to "fit it" to almost meet your needs by raising your seat and handlebars.

JTalbain


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Just used the fedex track by reference trick with my woot order #. Bike has shipped, should be here on Wed (7/11). I'm in socal, bike shipped from norcal (Sacramento).

rfirooza


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Nice!

thesythetic


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Meh, I bought it due to the deal, but wish I had not. The shifters are terrible, and doesn't switch from high to low easily if it does at all. Pass this bike up and spend the extra money and get a Specialized, Trek or Cannondale.

spectrablu3


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did anyone in LA, CA or in CA buy this bike and doesnt really want it? I saw the deal but hesitated and might want to buy it. I gotta try it out first and see how it feels. Let me know. [MOD: Removed email for your protection. Pls use PMs instead.]

spectrablu3


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thesythetic wrote:Meh, I bought it due to the deal, but wish I had not. The shifters are terrible, and doesn't switch from high to low easily if it does at all. Pass this bike up and spend the extra money and get a Specialized, Trek or Cannondale.



Did you want to sell it? where are you located