My Uncle was beat to death with a hammer. When the scum from Chicago realized that it didn't do the job, they shot him multiple times until he was dead.

I does not sink hammers or guns banned or restricted because of an emotional response to a cold and terrible event. If I duck my head in the sand, it does not prevent bad things happening. I am sorry for anyone who has lost someone due to violence. There is not a completely correlation here but I am more sorry for everyone who does take responsibility for their safety, or their family's safety by protecting them with every tool at their disposal.

If you are a 110lb woman, there is nothing like a good firearm and a will to live to prevent you from becoming a victim against a 220lb attacker like a firearm and the imminent threat of having a second navel created in your abdomen.

louisgrady wrote:We all (five boys) had rifles when we reached 9 years old, and my brother in the 1960's brought his pistol to school .

Louis, I'm a little younger but I remember even in the late 70's guys would bring hunting rifles/shotguns in their trucks to school so they could go hunting after school. Not only did the Principal know...but would talk about some of his favorite Dove hunting area's. I know now people would cram thier fists in front of their mouths and while cringing would mutter "Dear God!! Were they that stupid back then???" Uh..I don't know. I do know no one was shot. No one was even threatened with a gun. Heck, I'm in a suburban area in NC but I can only remember 3 or 4 fights at school in my entire time there. So I don't know what's wrong with the world. I DO know that the statement that 'guns are the root of the problem' is naive. If you honestly blame an inanimate object OVER the person weilding it you are not only using poor judgement but will draw bad guys like flies. Consider this "Ezekiel 33... 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.' I take my right to defend the unarmed or untrained (you) from a higher power. Do I ignore your helplessnes and allow a wicked man to harm you because I believe it's not his fault but the weapon in his hand? What people who don't believe in firearms SHOULD do is make sure anyone who commits a crime with a deadly weapon PAYS FOR THE CRIME. Seriously. I shoot..a lot. I don't hunt. I shoot at a range. I even reload my own ammo. NOT becuase of some goverment conspiracy or because I want to amass a hoard of ammunition but because I LIKE IT. I think the function and movement of it is like a ballet. Springs, cogs, lugs, rails, and all controlled by a minute quantity of powder. I also concealed carry...why? To get off on the power..no. To be ABLE to shoot someone for fun or money..no. I carry it to protect the weak or infirm from the things that go bump in the night. What do the gun-haters grab when they hear a strange sound? NOTE: Louis only some of this was to you..some is to address the utterly assinine idea that taking away guns from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and letting the criminals keep theirs is a GREAT idea...really?

JonTwelve wrote:you just need a pistol mount for your bike! and a pistol with this light...

Brilliant! I'm sure there's no legal reason I can't do that.

As a law enforcement officer, I appreciate a deep discounted accessory that could help me protect the citizens I serve

scarlettesong wrote:It looks like it fits on a generic rail just fine, but I don't know my guns too well. Would this work for a Glock 19?

EDIT: I WAS THINKING OF THE G17, WHICH IS A FULL SIZE. THE G19 IS A COMPACT, WHICH IS APPARENTLY A LITTLE TOO SMALL FOR THIS LIGHT.

The G19 has a pistol picatinny rail on the bottom of it where you should be able to attach this light. The last set of photos woot had when they sold this light a few months ago had this light attached to a pistol that looked a lot like a G19.

mrmessma wrote:No problem, I did it for you! You can find a 2 pack of rechargable CR2 batteries with [re]charger for about $10 if that makes any difference, I will probably get one for my brother and I. Advanced Christmas presents always make that time more enjoyable... thank you Woot!

thanks now i'm fighting the urge to splurge

Will it fit the M&P Pro series in .40 with a 5" barrel? I understand it fits subcompact models but how about full sized ones?

airborne78 wrote:Will it fit the M&P Pro series in .40 with a 5" barrel? I understand it fits subcompact models but how about full sized ones?

It will - they have a standard picatinny rail

aahzz wrote:It will - they have a standard picatinny rail

Ty, they just sold another

Great price but it will not fit an HK USP as the rail is a proprietary design - bummer!

louisgrady wrote:We all (five boys) had rifles when we reached 9 years old, and my brother in the 1960's brought his pistol to school to replace the handholds on the side in industrial arts. The principal congratulated him on the professional job he did with the pistol.

Life changed in the early 70's, when I came back from Vietnam and was spit on. The drug culture which grew from our naive hippie culture, changed mores. Unlike us "farm boys" who went for squirrels and targets, young people in the cities used their guns to kill or cow people. My first cousin was shot in Chicago in a random shooting, a cousin who already had three electronics patents in his 20's, and the Iowa farm which had been in our family since 1847 was sold, and the new owner rented our farm house to two men who set up a meth factory, and a guy was shot to death in my old bedroom, in a county which had not had a murder in 50 years, and now averages at least 3 murders a year due to meth.

Gotta watch out for the crazy gun toting hippies on meth. Marijuana sure is a nasty gateway drug!

I don't see why people are getting upset that Woot! is putting a flashlight (for a gun) on its web-page. Its a damn flashlight..
Woot! is a business, they're tapping in to a bigger market and reaching out to a whole new consumer base. I'm happy for them. Means more money for them and better deals for us.

People who had issues with guns or gun related crimes. A gangbanger isn't going to use a tactical flashlight. They're going to use a stolen gun that they can use and ditch. This flashlight is great for LEO's and people who wish to defend their home. If you want to become a victim that is fine, but you don't speak for the rest of us. I'm glad they're selling more gun accessories. I worked in law enforcement and I'm still a avid gun enthusiast that teaches people safety aspects of guns and how to properly use their firearms. Everyone has the right to be safe, how you do it is entirely up to you.

But saying woot! shouldn't be selling is dumb, just because they don't sell it does not mean someone can get it elsewhere. It just means woot! missed out on a load of sales, which if you like woot! you wouldn't ask them to not sell things. No one if forcing you to look at this webpage. You can skip past it if you want, just sayin'.

araczynski wrote:would be all over this, but never heard of a CR2 battery, and not interested in looking to see if there's a rechargeable version available. if it was a more common CR123(?) (plenty of rechargeables around) I'd bite.

A CR2 battery is a high-capacity, high-voltage (12v) battery a little shorter than a AA, about the same thickness (slightly thicker, maybe 1mm, I think) typically found in Cameras. Radio Shack carries them for about $5-9 each. They're great for high-powered LED lighting, but I've yet to see a rechargeable version myself.

Source: I used two running in parallel to custom-mod my TRON disc with 24 LEDs. :D

zetec wrote:A CR2 battery is a high-capacity, high-voltage (12v) battery a little shorter than a AA, about the same thickness (slightly thicker, maybe 1mm, I think)

No, it's a 3V lithium cell, and just over half the length of an AA. You're thinking of A23 batteries.

haydesigner wrote:I understand this division of woot.com is about sporting goods (and shooting things is sporting, right?) and I get that some people _really_ like their guns and ammunition, but… it really saddens me to see this on here. :-/

Apparently you have never had your home broken into.

Man. I had fun reading through this thread and all the for/against guns comments.

I'm indifferent on this topic. I don't use them, but I don't care if other people want to use them responsibly. I do care when people use faulty logic. That really annoys me.

To all the people saying, "If we outlaw guns then..." you don't have to hypothesize about what would happen. Many countries have already effectively banned firearms. If you want to know what a gun-free America might look like, check out Japan or The UK or Germany. Don't make unsupported claims when real-life examples already exist.

And remember: Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

stevestk wrote:This may be a dumb question given I'm not a gun owner. But besides the possibility of law enforcement, when does one shoot a gun in the dark in a situation where you want a light on it?

Typically my responses to home invasions are in dimly lit or dark circumstances, and the illumination provided by a light such as this one is a good way for me to locate and/or blind the intruder before I shoot my weapon.

Not sure if its been mentioned, but this fits my M&P 9 Compact, if yours has a longer rail, no matter what the make, it should fit, and most pistols do. It fits my Taurus PT111, as well.

Also, as someone who almost lost his life, and who had to save the life of his wife from a gunshot would, I'm very happy Woot sells these kind of accessorizes for the firearms we use to protect ourselves from ever being put in that position again.

Susan11125 wrote:I am so sorry for your loss. I completely agree with your comments. Imagine a world without guns; nobody had them, not the good guys or the bad guys. People could fight with their hands if fighting was the only method of settling a problem; I know it's naive and ridiculous to think that way, but, I, too, mourn for all of the grief and tragedy we suffer due to weapons. Yes, I know, it's not the weapon, it's the person shooting the weapon that is the problem.. but, when does it stop? When we've killed everyone? I'm rambling now, but, again, I am sorry for your loss. Take Care...

Yep, just big bullies fighting with their hands against the old and infirm who can't defend themselves without a firearm. I'm sorry for their loss too, but that doesn't change the fact that guns actually give the average person, who isn't a ninja, a chance to defend themselves against an attacker, or attackers who would otherwise have the upper hand.

machwun wrote:You remember the 50's, 60's, 70's? Everybody and their grandfathers (and grandmothers) regardless of what they drove....from a truck to a station wagon had a rack in the back window full of rifles and no one was getting shot at. or at least it was VERY rare. Is it the guns or the people? is it the lack of parenting?....the lack of gang control? rights taken from teachers? Please think about it. If guns were controlled now days the freaks would go crazy without the fear of a good man or woman putting one right where it counts.

I have to agree

Yes, more firearms assecsories. I am in or one.

Picked one up previously on Woot, fits perfectly on all my SIGs and My Kel-Tec PF-9.

Susan11125 wrote:I am so sorry for your loss. I completely agree with your comments. Imagine a world without guns; nobody had them, not the good guys or the bad guys. People could fight with their hands if fighting was the only method of settling a problem; I know it's naive and ridiculous to think that way, but, I, too, mourn for all of the grief and tragedy we suffer due to weapons. Yes, I know, it's not the weapon, it's the person shooting the weapon that is the problem.. but, when does it stop? When we've killed everyone? I'm rambling now, but, again, I am sorry for your loss. Take Care...

Golly Gosh, Susan, can we include a world without vehicles?

I've lost friends and had family injured in automobile accidents...just think, no more traffic, no gas prices to worry about, no road rage, no car insurance, no annoying Toyota commercials, and no sub-woofer sound systems vibrating down the highway. A world where everyone walks to Wal-Mart to get their stuff and only has a round or two of fisticuffs to endure protecting ourselves. Oops, Wal-Mart may not exist since there will not be a way to get their products to the store.

Why do I have this sudden urge to put on a pair of sandals, break out a guitar, and sing a montage of Mamas & Papas songs.

Then you would be complaining about the number of deaths with sticks and trying to outlaw them.

Susan11125 wrote:I am so sorry for your loss. I completely agree with your comments. Imagine a world without guns; nobody had them, not the good guys or the bad guys. People could fight with their hands if fighting was the only method of settling a problem; I know it's naive and ridiculous to think that way, but, I, too, mourn for all of the grief and tragedy we suffer due to weapons. Yes, I know, it's not the weapon, it's the person shooting the weapon that is the problem.. but, when does it stop? When we've killed everyone? I'm rambling now, but, again, I am sorry for your loss. Take Care...

scarlettesong wrote:It looks like it fits on a generic rail just fine, but I don't know my guns too well. Would this work for a Glock 19?

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this. There are 2 major types of rail systems that exist:
Picatinny and Weaver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaver_rail_mount
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatinny_rail

If you look up the specifics(i.e. The manual your firearm came with) it will tell you what the rail your pistol has.

tl;dr: Both are close enough that most flashlights/lasers on pistols are essentially universal, but not always. Some require modification.

Yes, this will fit your Glock.

essemar wrote:Man. I had fun reading through this thread and all the for/against guns comments.

I'm indifferent on this topic. I don't use them, but I don't care if other people want to use them responsibly. I do care when people use faulty logic. That really annoys me.

To all the people saying, "If we outlaw guns then..." you don't have to hypothesize about what would happen. Many countries have already effectively banned firearms. If you want to know what a gun-free America might look like, check out Japan or The UK or Germany. Don't make unsupported claims when real-life examples already exist.

And remember: Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

Just a point of fact, none of those countries has an outright universal firearms ban, they're all just tightly controlled (moreso in Japan and the UK than Germany).

You also have to keep in mind you can't really use those examples to predict what would happen in the US. Japan and Germany both have cultural backgrounds that make gun control more or less successful for them.

The UK; which is most like the US out of the three has, on the other hand, seen a marked increase in violent crime since the strictest gun control laws have been passed there.

Well, mine arrived defective - won't turn on, that blows

Fit my XD40 subcompact nicely. Good light, but the switch broke within 10 minutes after installing it.

Ledro2000 wrote:Fit my XD40 subcompact nicely. Good light, but the switch broke within 10 minutes after installing it.

Sorry about that. I don't see that you've emailed in. I'm going to send you a PM with some options.

aahzz wrote:Well, mine arrived defective - won't turn on, that blows

So is mine, but I need to test the battery first, hopefully it's just dead.

Did you notice the picture in the manual shows the battery going in opposite of what the text says to do?

angrypickle wrote:So is mine, but I need to test the battery first, hopefully it's just dead.

Did you notice the picture in the manual shows the battery going in opposite of what the text says to do?

Yup, it's dead. Tested the battery and it's fine. Tested all the connections and they're fine, LED is kaput.

Mine also arrived defective. As soon as i slide out the pin to install the light the springs and ball popped out. Unit can not be mounted without it the slide falling out of place now - what options do i have?

This light does not fit on easily, not sure how I'll be able to get it back off if I need to.

DennisWKam wrote:Sorry for the issues. This is just a suggestion, have you tried contacting Smith & Wesson to see if they can assist?

If you would rather not deal with them, email us at service@woot.com and we'll help you out.

Mine is DOA too ... went to home depot for batteries ($10.00) more dollars ... still doesn't work. Called PowerTech. they told me mail it to them .... Ahhhhhh ... Please advise !

Add another to the DOA pile. Also, for reference, it's a very tight fit on a Sig P226 (will probably need tools to remove it).

Don't even waste your time emailing W00T. They won't even reply back with a RMA.I plan to cancel the charge via my credit card.
Mail it back to these people
POWERTECH INC
360 East South Street
Collieville, TN 38017

I'm done buying junk from W00T
-Will

I put this on my CZ-USA P07 .40 S&W and put 100 rounds through the gun only to find the caps covering the pushbuttons to momentarily turn on the light had fallen off. Of course I didn't discover that until I got home. I'm going to contact the manufacturer to see what can be done. NOTE - the pictures inside the manual have a different momentary on/off switch than what's actually on the light.

Anybody have issues with their light? On mine, one of the momentary on switches sticks. I read up on this light, and its not great, but for the woot price it's definitely worth it. I hope customer service comes through, like usual and gets mine replaced or fixed.

mpell603 wrote:This light does not fit on easily, not sure how I'll be able to get it back off if I need to.

It's supposed to be tight. You don't want recoil to shake it around.