must resist joke tying this product into the crap storm that seems to be hitting the woot servers...

In for 1, guess now I have to buy a gun as an accessory to go along with this!

bluetide wrote:Am I missing something? Are guns in fashion now? I have been seeing more and more gun related products. Well, I should **not** be surprised , Woot is from Texas. FYI ,I am neither pro or against gun ownership, Its just that I dont own one so no use of this and other stuff.

Be an AMURICAN, get a gun.

just in time for summer, this shall go well retrofitted to my water gun.

rawrlers wrote:Be an AMURICAN, get a gun.

Everyone should own a gun, or two, or eight, or more then they can count... all depends on who you know... and if they give you guns at cost....

Nice to see woot is offering more firearms related gear. Here is a link to the manufacturers page. http://www.rapidreticle.com/Main/ScopeItem.aspx?ID=8&grpID=8

I am unfamiliar with this brand though. 5MOA seems huge for a red dot. Ill stick with my 2MOA Aimpoint

[aussie] "Sniping's a good job, mate!" [/aussie]

DTMRM wrote:Everyone should own a gun, or two, or eight, or more then they can count... all depends on who you know... and if they give you guns at cost....

Agreed, I just finished my most recent project rifle tonight.

I bought a PFI Action-4 from moofi.woot a few months ago and I regret it.

Trying to find a 33mm high mount scope rings for an AR is impossible. The manufacturer offers one but they're asking for more than what I paid for the optic. My only other option is to buy a riser, which I did but come to find out the rings the manufacturer provides are shoddy. The rings won't get a firm grip on the rails and will come loose after a couple of shots from .223 rifle.

bacta785 wrote:My only other option is to buy a riser, which I did but come to find out the rings the manufacturer provides are shoddy. The rings won't get a firm grip on the rails and will come loose after a couple of shots from .223 rifle.

That was not my experience, at all. I used YHM risers, and had no difficulty maintaining a zero with my Action-4. If your rings are genuinely defective, call PFI and have them ship you new ones.

Also, the 33mm quick release ring was supposed to drop to $100, so you should call PFI and see if they can sell you one. I recently bought a couple for a bit under a hundred bucks each, and they seem rock solid. In fact, they're the biggest damn rings I've ever seen, and make my Leupold QRWs look like amateur hour. I admit that they're more expensive than I'd prefer, but they're in line with Aimpoint and the like.

So, I am something of a fan of PFI's reflex sights. I have two Action-4s, two SOPS, and a SOPS-Compact (mounted in an IronDot). Let me say a few things about them:

1. They're Japanese made by Kenko. They are not Chinese crap.
2. The glass is excellent, and so is the build quality. The battery compartment, in particular, is extremely well engineered.
3. The tubes are a weird 33mm in diameter and the included rings are low. If you want AR-15 height co-witness, you will either need the PFI-QRR mount ($100) or 1/2" risers. I've used both.
4. The flip-up caps work as expected. They're not going to get in the way.

Who makes this? At that MSRP, I would be looking at an Aimpoint or Eotech. I was just looking at a $170 vortex strikefire. What makes this worth $190? Is it just a cheap red dot with a bunch of features that increase the price?

Woot has my interest, but I have never heard of this optic before.

This would be good for your kid's airsoft but it won't last on top of something like an AR-15.
Buy once, cry once... Get an Aimpoint.

RobinBobcat wrote:[aussie] "Sniping's a good job, mate!" [/aussie]

Challenging work, and you'll never go hungry, cause as long as there's two people left on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead.

rickyharper wrote:Who makes this? At that MSRP, I would be looking at an Aimpoint or Eotech. I was just looking at a $170 vortex strikefire. What makes this worth $190? Is it just a cheap red dot with a bunch of features that increase the price?



Woot has my interest, but I have never heard of this optic before.

Google Pride Fowler....they seem to be mid level optics. What little research I did seems like a fair price. May get 1 fer my little one's AR but it won't replace my Acog on my AR.

It's the little things... Both product videos have guys calling this a "scope" but it's not a scope, but rather an optic with no magnification. One also states this was built for the military but we know they're running Aimpoints and Acogs and not $130 optics from Woot!
Close the lens covers to save the battery life? My Aimpont can be left on for 5 years!

Great for someone who doesn't put much down range, or for an airsoft... But I wouldn't put this on anything I would need to defend myself with.

Doesn't seem nearly as nice as my Vortex SPARC red dot that I got off Amazon for just under $200.

Mine has 2x Magnification, and a LOT smaller dot than 5 MOA (That is HUGE).

Link

The SPARC also comes with mounts for low, medium, or high, so should be no issue with putting it on whatever gun you want.

Interesting. I took advantage of the S&W rail mounted light last week, now I see an optic (red dot) for sale. Although I've never heard of this company, I am glad to see more of these kinds of products available here. Any products that make Hippies and Gun Grabbers cry is ok with me! Keep up the good work woot! Please see about working a deal with Trijicon or some of the big boys on discounted units, even refurbs will do!

I would get a Primary Arms red dot if you are not an operator. Save some money and get something that I have never heard one bad thing about (and I have looked)

If you are legitimately trusting your life to it, buy an EOTech or Aimpoint.

UDRandman wrote:I would get a Primary Arms red dot if you are not an operator. Save some money and get something that I have never heard one bad thing about (and I have looked)

My micro green dot failed repeatedly on a .22LR handgun, to the extent that I asked for a refund. I also found the coatings on the Micro and the M3 clone to be distracting and overdone. Oh, and they all have a ton of reflection at the edge of the tubes if you turn them up.

Now you've heard some bad things.

The PFI here is much, much better than the PA reflex sights. I promptly sold all my PA reflex sights after I switched over to PFI's gear. It is significantly better. PA's stuff is good for their price point, but don't kid yourself about the quality relative to this sight.

smoberg wrote:It's the little things... Both product videos have guys calling this a "scope" but it's not a scope, but rather an optic with no magnification. One also states this was built for the military but we know they're running Aimpoints and Acogs and not $130 optics from Woot!
Close the lens covers to save the battery life? My Aimpont can be left on for 5 years!

While I agree that the Aimpoint's battery life is a real point in its favor, the fact remains that it costs double (or more) than the SOPS. Also, it's hilarious that you're calling out John Pride on his terminology - he's way more of a shooter than you'll probably ever be.

Great for someone who doesn't put much down range, or for an airsoft... But I wouldn't put this on anything I would need to defend myself with.

You have no idea what you're talking about. I had an Action-4 mounted to my AR-15 for quite a while, and it kept zero and functioned fine. I've seen photos of guys running the SOPS overseas. It's the real deal.

I am also LOL'ing at the "buy a Vortex Sparc" crowd. It is the height of irony that some of you are telling people to go play with a cheap Chinese reflex sight rather than buy a high-quality Japanese reflex sight. PFI has been around for a long time, and they make good stuff. Their scopes are very well-regarded, even if their reflex sights aren't as well-known. More idiocy from the ARFCOM "I've never heard of it, so it must suck" crowd.

RobinBobcat wrote:[aussie] "Sniping's a good job, mate!" [/aussie]

wolverinefury wrote:Challenging work, and you'll never go hungry, cause as long as there's two people left on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead.

Dad...dad...I'm not a crazed gunman, dad,I'm an assassin...Well, the difference being one's a profession and the other is a mental sickness!

screagles wrote:Nice to see woot is offering more firearms related gear. Here is a link to the manufacturers page. http://www.rapidreticle.com/Main/ScopeItem.aspx?ID=8&grpID=8

I am unfamiliar with this brand though. 5MOA seems huge for a red dot. Ill stick with my 2MOA Aimpoint

Looks to me like it's actually a 1MOA adjustment, but the "Pulse LED" is 5MOA (Possibly in size?). Biggest thing I see wrong with it is the fact it doesn't take an AA battery like some Aimpoints. But, you still have to consider this is a really good price on this sight.

erwos wrote:

I am also LOL'ing at the "buy a Vortex Sparc" crowd. It is the height of irony that some of you are telling people to go play with a cheap Chinese reflex sight rather than buy a high-quality Japanese reflex sight. PFI has been around for a long time, and they make good stuff. Their scopes are very well-regarded, even if their reflex sights aren't as well-known. More idiocy from the ARFCOM "I've never heard of it, so it must suck" crowd.

Your hate on the vortex sparc is a little wild as shown in this video it's a great optic for most peoples needs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXsscsiZ9M

Edit: also something more comparable would be the vortex strikefire http://www.amazon.com/Vortex%C2%AE-StrikeFire-Rifle-Scope-Suitable/dp/B001Q8GEWS/ref=pd_cp_p_1 which is about 20 bucks cheaper

Loctite.

bacta785 wrote:I bought a PFI Action-4 from moofi.woot a few months ago and I regret it.

Trying to find a 33mm high mount scope rings for an AR is impossible. The manufacturer offers one but they're asking for more than what I paid for the optic. My only other option is to buy a riser, which I did but come to find out the rings the manufacturer provides are shoddy. The rings won't get a firm grip on the rails and will come loose after a couple of shots from .223 rifle.

kane968 wrote:Loctite.

2nd this, lol.

Make sure you check to see if all the parts specified in the order get delivered with the scope. I had ordered previously from moofi and mine were missing the included protective lens covers. I've contacted service.woot and am waiting for a reply. It's kind of difficult to keep the scope mounted if you can't keep the optics clean.

kyle1193 wrote:Your hate on the vortex sparc is a little wild as shown in this video it's a great optic for most peoples needs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXsscsiZ9M

I don't hate the Sparc or the Strikefire, or the PA dots. For their price point, they are fine.

I am saying that none of those is nearly as good as the PFI SOPS, and that what Woot is offering is genuinely an excellent deal. Stuff like glass and internal build quality is rather significant, and it hard to evaluate from something as simple as a feature set.

5MOA is fine for a reflex sight. At 100 yards, that's the size of a human head, which gives you some ad-hoc ranging capability - more so than a smaller 2MOA dot. If you need to do precision range work, I'd suggest you buy a 1-4x scope instead. (I am enamored of the GRSC right now, FWIW.)

kane968 wrote:Loctite.

Didn't even think of that, but, yes, I used blue loc-tite on mine to fix that "problem". (I put that in quotes, because it's an issue with pretty much any screw on a gun.)

I've not heard of this optic before I saw it on woot the last time it (or a similar one) was featured. Seems like a good deal for Japanese glass.

kyle1193 wrote:Your hate on the vortex sparc is a little wild as shown in this video it's a great optic for most peoples needs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXsscsiZ9M

Edit: also something more comparable would be the vortex strikefire http://www.amazon.com/Vortex%C2%AE-StrikeFire-Rifle-Scope-Suitable/dp/B001Q8GEWS/ref=pd_cp_p_1 which is about 20 bucks cheaper

I was looking at getting this for my husband for a gift but I am not real sure if it is worth it. I hear that is optics and not really a scope. I want to get something that we will be able to "reach out and touch". Can ya'll help me to find something that I will be able to put on different types of guns.

I bought this optic last time it was offered, and I like it. It's daylight visible, and, as has already been pointed out, is a Japanese-manufactured product, not a Chinese lead-filled paperweight. It's held zero just fine through a fair amount of transport and a couple hundered rounds of 5.56.

The kinda-neat, kinda-gimmicky feature of this is a brightness setting labeled "A", for automatic. This sight has a photo cell in it that detects ambient light and can adjust brightness accordingly. Useful if you don't want to click through all settings to find the most amount of light with the least bleed-through.

The rings are not as nice as the rest of the package, but for the price point, I'm not expecting a $90 set of LaRue rings. I run the included rings with a 0.83" riser to get a lower 1/3 co-witness.

All in all, I'm happy with my purchase.

laurakeil wrote:I was looking at getting this for my husband for a gift but I am not real sure if it is worth it. I hear that is optics and not really a scope. I want to get something that we will be able to "reach out and touch". Can ya'll help me to find something that I will be able to put on different types of guns.

I hate to say this, but I'd probably leave the scope / sight decision to him.

bacta785 wrote:I bought a PFI Action-4 from moofi.woot a few months ago and I regret it.

Trying to find a 33mm high mount scope rings for an AR is impossible. The manufacturer offers one but they're asking for more than what I paid for the optic. My only other option is to buy a riser, which I did but come to find out the rings the manufacturer provides are shoddy. The rings won't get a firm grip on the rails and will come loose after a couple of shots from .223 rifle.

same story with me, i tried shooting it a few times with my AR15 on a decent riser and the factory rings kept slipping. i emailed support about it and they swore up and down they were working towards making a cheaper quick release mount. this was many months ago, so i think it is pretty much vaporware. it has been sitting in the box ever since. i'll probably take it to the next gun show and try to trade it for something, anything.

rickyharper wrote:Who makes this? At that MSRP, I would be looking at an Aimpoint or Eotech. I was just looking at a $170 vortex strikefire. What makes this worth $190? Is it just a cheap red dot with a bunch of features that increase the price?

Woot has my interest, but I have never heard of this optic before.

From what I have read this isn't a cheap red dot, it's actually one used in theater and it's supposed to be extremely well made.

smoberg wrote:It's the little things... Both product videos have guys calling this a "scope" but it's not a scope, but rather an optic with no magnification. One also states this was built for the military but we know they're running Aimpoints and Acogs and not $130 optics from Woot!
Close the lens covers to save the battery life? My Aimpont can be left on for 5 years!

Great for someone who doesn't put much down range, or for an airsoft... But I wouldn't put this on anything I would need to defend myself with.

1. Why would you need your impoint on for 5 years?

2. It's not a $130 optic.

3. Can you share your experience with this item?

goldiemcg wrote:From what I have read this isn't a cheap red dot, it's actually one used in theater and it's supposed to be extremely well made.

We'd love some links!

Here's some of the other products offered by this company at MIDWAYUSA

YOu can see that PFI is the real deal... their other scopes are retailing around $500-$1,000

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?&dimensionids=4294846108

would the 5 MOA dot be too large for .22 plinking and target shooting at ~50 yards?

azuercher wrote:would the 5 MOA dot be too large for .22 plinking and target shooting at ~50 yards?

1 MOA (minute of angle) translates to roughly one inch at 100 yards. At 50 yards, a 5MOA dot would cover about 2.5 inches... not quite the width of a soda can.

It would be fine for a plinker .22LR gun, but even then, 5MOA is definitely a big dot... usually they're 4 or 2MOA for a red dot optic.

I have a Millet red dot on a .22LR rifle and it works fine at about half the cost of this thing. This one may well be better, but it doesn't take much for a plinker.

For a rifle intended for potential defensive roles, I'd pass this one up in favor of the Aimpoint PRO. Sure, it's a fair amount more money, but better to buy once and cry once.